Re: Five Heinous Crimes = Samaya Breaker ?
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:25 am
I'll stick with Dzogchen.
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As opposed to what?
You might be disappointed to learn that there's more nuance to it than that. For as long as you are not in the natural state, you are accumulating karma and the wheel of dependent origination spins on. Dzogchen doesn't deny karma, cause and effect nor do any masters ignore emphasizing the importance of recognizing what to accept and reject when you are not in the natural state.amanitamusc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:54 amDzogchen is a path beyond cause and effect.Shakyamuni Buddha predicted this.
I am a student of ChNNR not Vasana.Vasana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:46 pmamanitamusc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:54 amDzogchen is a path beyond cause and effect.Shakyamuni Buddha predicted this.
You might be disappointed to learn that there's more nuance to it than that. For as long as you are not in the natural state, you are accumulating karma and the wheel of dependent origination spins on. Dzogchen doesn't deny karma, cause and effect nor do any masters ignore emphasizing the importance of recognizing what to accept and reject when you are not in the natural state.
I'm also a student of ChNNR. So we should be respectful to one another. You don't need to take my word on anything and I don't expect you to. But please investigate further.amanitamusc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:55 pmI am a student of ChNNR not Vasana.Vasana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:46 pmamanitamusc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:54 am
Dzogchen is a path beyond cause and effect.Shakyamuni Buddha predicted this.
You might be disappointed to learn that there's more nuance to it than that. For as long as you are not in the natural state, you are accumulating karma and the wheel of dependent origination spins on. Dzogchen doesn't deny karma, cause and effect nor do any masters ignore emphasizing the importance of recognizing what to accept and reject when you are not in the natural state.
amanitamusc, if you claim to be a student of CHNN a highly recommended reading is The Precious Vase. If you still have confusion related to relative actions after reading then you should read it again, it's very clear.Vasana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:06 pmI'm also a student of ChNNR. So we should be respectful to one another. You don't need to take my word on anything and I don't expect you to. But please investigate further.amanitamusc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:55 pmI am a student of ChNNR not Vasana.Vasana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:46 pm
You might be disappointed to learn that there's more nuance to it than that. For as long as you are not in the natural state, you are accumulating karma and the wheel of dependent origination spins on. Dzogchen doesn't deny karma, cause and effect nor do any masters ignore emphasizing the importance of recognizing what to accept and reject when you are not in the natural state.
Yes i do have it.I'm not confused.For the past few months i have been listeningmechashivaz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:25 pmamanitamusc, if you claim to be a student of CHNN a highly recommended reading is The Precious Vase. If you still have confusion related to relative actions after reading then you should read it again, it's very clear.
What CHNN actually says is that the essence of Dzogchen is Ati Guru Yoga,and if you have really no time then thats the one you should just Ati Guru yoga,not that you only need to do this. Apart this,vajra song and medium thun if you have time(say,weekend).amanitamusc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:14 amYes i do have it.I'm not confused.For the past few months i have been listeningmechashivaz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:25 pmamanitamusc, if you claim to be a student of CHNN a highly recommended reading is The Precious Vase. If you still have confusion related to relative actions after reading then you should read it again, it's very clear.
to a 10day retreat from Rinpoche.It is on Dorje sempa Namkha Che.
Sorry for the confusion but its not mine.
If you claim to be a student of Rinpoche try to get this and if you are still
confused listen to it again and remember Rinpoche only asks we do Ati guru yoga
this is Dzogchen right from Garab Dorje.
Never heard it quite like this,in fact Rinpoche always says if you only get one thingliuzg150181 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:01 amWhat CHNN actually says is that the essence of Dzogchen is Ati Guru Yoga,and if you have really no time then thats the one you should just Ati Guru yoga,not that you only need to do this. Apart this,vajra song and medium thun if you have time(say,weekend).amanitamusc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:14 amYes i do have it.I'm not confused.For the past few months i have been listeningmechashivaz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:25 pm
amanitamusc, if you claim to be a student of CHNN a highly recommended reading is The Precious Vase. If you still have confusion related to relative actions after reading then you should read it again, it's very clear.
to a 10day retreat from Rinpoche.It is on Dorje sempa Namkha Che.
Sorry for the confusion but its not mine.
If you claim to be a student of Rinpoche try to get this and if you are still
confused listen to it again and remember Rinpoche only asks we do Ati guru yoga
this is Dzogchen right from Garab Dorje.