You haven't seen every Buddhist tradition.
Semen, sukra is a waste product. Ojas is the point, not sukra.
You haven't seen every Buddhist tradition.
As someone who is a doctor of Tibetan Medicine, and who studied Ayurveda in India, you are right about sukra being one of the seven main tissues of the body, but the waste product of sutra is bija, and the pure part is ojas. Ojas cultivation is the entire point of rasayana. The bija can be expelled without harm, but not the ojas.haha wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:32 am It is major error to say sukra is waste product in term of Ayurveda. It is a main dhatu of the body (i.e. one of the seven), whereas ojas is upadhatu. One cannot increase bliss and heat without this (sukra) because of dependently arising. Even in term of Tibetan Buddhism, they practice “inner heat”, which is not different than any other non-buddhist traditions. Sukra is an indirect fuel for inner heat.
Celibacy is another thing. Vajrayana utilizes anything; it utilizes non-celibacy as well as celibacy. Meaning of celibacy for monk/nun or lay people is quite different.
I did not arise any question about what you have done in the past, nor do I have any problem with present. Somebody would say it is upadhatu because of such and such text; another would say that it is not upadahtu because of such and such points. People can have all kind of arguments. However, there is no disagreement in importance of ojas in Ayurveda. By the way, other dhatus also produce ojas.Malcolm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:02 pm
As someone who is a doctor of Tibetan Medicine, and who studied Ayurveda in India, you are right about sukra being one of the seven main tissues of the body, but the waste product of sutra is bija, and the pure part is ojas. Ojas cultivation is the entire point of rasayana. The bija can be expelled without harm, but not the ojas.
It depends on how you understand the seven fold process of digestion.
Not in the winter, when one is using a nutritionally rich diet. And in the West, our diets are nutrionally rich all year long. BTW, the ratio that I explained earlier comes from Vagbhata, Aṣṭaṅghridayasamhita. It's also found in the explanatory tantra.If somebody says that the bija can be expelled without harm, then one can argue that it will lead anomalies in the vata system.
Depletion means overuse. According to the Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine, there is an excess of mdangs/ojas in the winter, so there is no danger of depletion. The reason we have this idea of seasons is because the premodern system of food production did not allow people to eat steak, all year long, food stores ran out by early spring, people start to eat bitter greens, and so on. For this reason, ojas could be depleted by excess sexual activity in early spring and summer. In any case, both in the ancient and modern context, the main source of ojas depletion is stress/vata vitiation all by itself, regardless of secondary cause.I already said that the depletion of sukra dhatu or bija will decrease the inner fire.
Not really an issue for most practitioners since most of us are not doing the real tummo, just rehearsing the process and getting familiar with it.
It depends on which text one chooses over another to believe. By the way, it is not my argument.
What you have said is ok for normal people who do not engage in any religious practices or any kind of esoteric things. They do not have to harness certain channels, winds and drops.Not in the winter, when one is using a nutritionally rich diet. And in the West, our diets are nutrionally rich all year long. BTW, the ratio that I explained earlier comes from Vagbhata, Aṣṭaṅghridayasamhita. It's also found in the explanatory tantra.If somebody says that the bija can be expelled without harm, then one can argue that it will lead anomalies in the vata system.
Depletion means overuse. According to the Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine, there is an excess of mdangs/ojas in the winter, so there is no danger of depletion. The reason we have this idea of seasons is because the premodern system of food production did not allow people to eat steak, all year long, food stores ran out by early spring, people start to eat bitter greens, and so on. For this reason, ojas could be depleted by excess sexual activity in early spring and summer. In any case, both in the ancient and modern context, the main source of ojas depletion is stress/vata vitiation all by itself, regardless of secondary cause.I already said that the depletion of sukra dhatu or bija will decrease the inner fire.
At least, you agree for specific practitioners and function of sukra with inner heat in some degree.
The point is pleasure, not semen. We all know what happens when you cum.
If somebody has received Kalacakra, then it is regarded as samaya.
Once again, it has nothing to do with semen per se, which is a waste product. In this case it has to do with controlling the apana vayu, not semen itslelf.At least, you agree for specific practitioners and function of sukra with inner heat in some degree.
There are many techniques for inner heat, some utilize red elements (which males have as well at the head chakra but less) instead of white. Some use one chakra instead of four.
That is one way of expression; which does not have any contradiction. I could say the point is sensation as pleasure itself is not pleasure, nor the sharp pain is itself the sharp pain. But, vajrayana texts are giving emphasis in semen, too. Ayurveda may have different points.
Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen might different agenda to fit the narrative to his circumstances. That is fine; everyone does that.If somebody has received Kalacakra, then it is regarded as samaya.
Jetsun Drakpa Gyaltsen disputes this interpretation.
I have already suggested above that it is the indirect factor (fuel) for inner fire.Once again, it has nothing to do with semen per se, which is a waste product. In this case it has to do with controlling the apana vayu, not semen itslelf.At least, you agree for specific practitioners and function of sukra with inner heat in some degree.
I remember they are given in one package. There are several other methods, too, different than you mentions. I have given references from at least two texts above to justify the point why semen is regarded important in those texts as for bliss and inner fire. There are several other reasons, too.Kai lord wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:49 pmThere are many techniques for inner heat, some utilize red elements (which males have as well at the head chakra but less) instead of white. Some use one chakra instead of four.
Actually Its interesting why you would use tummo practice as an example since the main practice that deals with bindus or drops directly is Karmamudra.
i am just curious. let's say yogi met a girl he couldn't resist and lost the shurkas, how long will it take to rebuild so the fire or bliss is back?
A day, because we eat food every day. It takes 28 days to refine ojas. It takes 7 days to refine śukra. When we talk about bodhicitta in the body, this is really the substance we are referring, not khu ba or śukra.
Soma999 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:11 am There is much that is said about ejaculation, but we have to understand why and how it may be a problem.
Sex is the root, and your head is the top of the tree. What is important is that energy can flow into your body and feed the brain. If sexual intercourse last long enough, you give a chance to energise all your body, and to feed your brain. Then, a certain transmutation occurs. At this moment, if you ejaculate, it is, from my point of view, not a big deal as energy has flown from the roots to the top of the tree, your head.
But if you lost all your semen, too much, too often, you cut the flow of energy, and you feel dull, lost your enthusiasm, feel very tired…
Also, ejaculation is just a biological process. Your mind is of utmost importance. If you lost your semen while having all kind of sexual fantasies, or even fetish, you may feel highly drained. If you ejaculate after a loving intercourse, and with moderation on fantasies, or even better, with your mind connected on wisdom, you will not feel so tired, and can feed joy, enthusiasm and inspiration.
The mind is of utmost importance.
Thank youMalcolm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:41 pm
A day, because we eat food every day. It takes 28 days to refine ojas. It takes 7 days to refine śukra. When we talk about bodhicitta in the body, this is really the substance we are referring, not khu ba or śukra.
Basically, there are three types of bindu in the body according Chogyal Namkhai Norbu: there is the indestructible bindu in the heart center. If we lose this, we die immediately. There is mdangs or ojas, if we lose too much of this, we will die slowly. Then there is semen, if we don't lose this, we turn into pieces of wood, and eventually, become impotent.
The main cause of losing ojas is stress. Vegan diets are also not healthy. The reasons why so many vegans have that pasty, grey skin tone is that they do not eat enough food rich in dietary fats and sugars.