Not feeling physical pain.

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Re: Not feeling physical pain.

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Ueopqiei453 wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:43 pm
What I find contradictory about these reports of overcoming pain is why, if they don't care about pain, do they also seek medical treatment?

The quote above from the Buddha says he can enter these states, as well as other quotes, yet it is also said that he sought medical attention for things like back pain or even indigestion.
If you don’t care about pain,
then it isn’t really pain, is it?

Because you don’t want to have to keep dealing with it. Buddhism teaches that everything has a cause. Pain isn’t the main problem, it’s a symptom of a problem. If you can eliminate the cause of pain, you don’t need to keep taking pain medicine. Likewise, you don’t have to keep meditating just to alleviate it.
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Re: Not feeling physical pain.

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Ueopqiei453 wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:43 pm The quote above from the Buddha says he can enter these states, as well as other quotes, yet it is also said that he sought medical attention for things like back pain or even indigestion.
Buddha ran the gamut of asceticism, and in the end determined that torturing yourself was not skillful. So, getting medical attention for back pain or indigestion would actually fall under the category of being skillful means.
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I see this topic now. And I should say the moments there is no pain, I know easy an answer for the moments there are pain.
While it is been said to accept whatever experiencing energy and welcome all, it has been often my preference to say: go, there is the door!
If you don’t care about pain,
then it isn’t really pain, is it?
Focus onto something other or just no connection, may help to even forget it. This often happens when pain is chronically and is "used to be".

Meditation, non-dual awareness, by which there is no grasping and the object pain is merely energy in emptiness ( sounds great), this is relaxing way, not being the suffering subject but vastness. :meditate:
So, getting medical attention
If possible sure!

Pain can be a great teacher to erase suffering, this may sound a bit like a masochist. But it encourages ( and sometimes fails) so much to realize that what the Buddha taught. Even it is a hard way, going over thorns.

However my wish is all realize how there is no suffering anymore, in very gentle way... without too much pain.
“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
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Unless you're a highly skilled yogic practitioner with hard-to-come-by instructions and years of retreat under your belt, not feeling physical pain altogether is going to be difficult to achieve. If it is achievable, it will likely take decades+ of committed practice to realize.

More realistic stepping stones to consider: Increased Pain tolerance. I am pretty sure there are lots of scientific studies showing that those with adequate mediation training can develop an increased pain tolerance. An additional earlier step is experiencing less mental disturbance from pain due to such practice.

This component is elaborated by the Buddha in the Sallatha Sutta (The arrow similie.) Well-trained practitioners can experience pain, but the ensuing mental dialogue that companies sensation no longer has any basis for continuing. A comprehensive analytical understanding of the drawbacks of mentally narrating our experiences and familiarity to meditative states is needed.
"Now, the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones, when touched with a feeling of pain, does not sorrow, grieve, or lament, does not beat his breast or become distraught. So he feels one pain: physical, but not mental. Just as if they were to shoot a man with an arrow and, right afterward, did not shoot him with another one, so that he would feel the pain of only one arrow. In the same way, when touched with a feeling of pain, the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones does not sorrow, grieve, or lament, does not beat his breast or become distraught. He feels one pain: physical, but not mental."
The next time you stub your toe on something, see if you can remember to experience the sensation without belting out any 4 letter words :rolling:
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Re: Not feeling physical pain.

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Vasana wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:00 pm
The next time you stub your toe on something, see if you can remember to experience the sensation without belting out any 4 letter words :rolling:
Tell about the four letters! You mean Sh!t? I use that regularly, it is a very helpful thing to remember awareness.
“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
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But seriously, pain can as well be a great medicine to crush seeds of suffering by pride or arrogance.

Pain makes alert on how many variety of suffering there is.

There was one practitioner going to the west and was worrying since he thought in the west people live like Gods, how will I be able to widen compassion flowing into great compassion/Bodhichitta?
“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
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Re: Not feeling physical pain.

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muni wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:50 pm
Vasana wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:00 pm
The next time you stub your toe on something, see if you can remember to experience the sensation without belting out any 4 letter words :rolling:
Tell about the four letters! You mean Sh!t? I use that regularly, it is a very helpful thing to remember awareness.
words are words. They're as useful as you can make them. The real question is, is it really you choosing to say the word, or is the habit saying itself through you :lol:
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Re: Not feeling physical pain.

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Vasana wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:54 pm
muni wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:50 pm
Vasana wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:00 pm
The next time you stub your toe on something, see if you can remember to experience the sensation without belting out any 4 letter words :rolling:
Tell about the four letters! You mean Sh!t? I use that regularly, it is a very helpful thing to remember awareness.
words are words. They're as useful as you can make them. The real question is, is it really you choosing to say the word, or is the habit saying itself through you :lol:
Interesting indeed. :thumbsup: It looks like coming out of the middle of nowhere.
“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
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Re: Not feeling physical pain.

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Perhaps besides the little word, this can as well help:

https://www.google.com/search?q=taking+ ... 7NEiKkdwq8
“We are each living in our own soap opera. We do not see things as they really are. We see only our interpretations. This is because our minds are always so busy...But when the mind calms down, it becomes clear. This mental clarity enables us to see things as they really are, instead of projecting our commentary on everything.” Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bg9jOYnEUA
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