Musk, guns and a vajra

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Malcolm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:32 pm
If you look at the situation surrounding his purchase of Twitter, it also seems to call into question his basic business acumen, and shows just how juvenile and rose colored his notions of free speech are.
He’s a tech grifter who has managed to keep his grift going for nearly a quarter of a century. He’s never led a company to genuine profitability, not one.

His cars are shit. He just keeps adding investors to keep his enterprises solvent.

His character is irrelevant.
Aren't his vertically landing rockets a success, though?
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Malcolm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:32 pm
If you look at the situation surrounding his purchase of Twitter, it also seems to call into question his basic business acumen, and shows just how juvenile and rose colored his notions of free speech are.
He’s a tech grifter who has managed to keep his grift going for nearly a quarter of a century. He’s never led a company to genuine profitability, not one.

His cars are shit. He just keeps adding investors to keep his enterprises solvent.

His character is irrelevant.
What does grifter mean in this context?
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Archie2009 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:53 pm
Malcolm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:32 pm
If you look at the situation surrounding his purchase of Twitter, it also seems to call into question his basic business acumen, and shows just how juvenile and rose colored his notions of free speech are.
He’s a tech grifter who has managed to keep his grift going for nearly a quarter of a century. He’s never led a company to genuine profitability, not one.

His cars are shit. He just keeps adding investors to keep his enterprises solvent.

His character is irrelevant.
Aren't his vertically landing rockets a success, though?
Not financially. Musk secured another round of funding for Spacex in July. Tesla survives on subsidies from the US Gvt.
dharmafootsteps wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:57 pm
What does grifter mean in this context?
The same thing it means in general. Just take a look at all the failed businesses he was bailed out of.
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Malcolm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:01 pm
Archie2009 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:53 pm
Malcolm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm

He’s a tech grifter who has managed to keep his grift going for nearly a quarter of a century. He’s never led a company to genuine profitability, not one.

His cars are shit. He just keeps adding investors to keep his enterprises solvent.

His character is irrelevant.
Aren't his vertically landing rockets a success, though?
Not financially. Musk secured another round of funding for Spacex in July. Tesla survives on subsidies from the US Gvt.
dharmafootsteps wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:57 pm
What does grifter mean in this context?
The same thing it means in general. Just take a look at all the failed businesses he was bailed out of.
Grifter would imply to me that he's fleecing people for money, but that doesn't appear to be his aim. He seems more like a pure technologist than JD's aforementioned Capitalist Ubermensch, in that he most cares about creating technologies he sees as important to the world. Whether the companies that create them are profitable or not is of lesser concern compared to them operating well enough to create and develop the tech. He's multiple times bet his whole companies, including his own money, on advancing technologies where a grifter or pure capitalist would have never done so.
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dharmafootsteps wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:12 pm
Malcolm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:01 pm
Archie2009 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:53 pm Aren't his vertically landing rockets a success, though?
Not financially. Musk secured another round of funding for Spacex in July. Tesla survives on subsidies from the US Gvt.
dharmafootsteps wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:57 pm
What does grifter mean in this context?
The same thing it means in general. Just take a look at all the failed businesses he was bailed out of.
Grifter would imply to me that he's fleecing people for money, but that doesn't appear to be his aim.
He is, he is very good at it.

He's multiple times bet his whole companies, including his own money, on advancing technologies where a grifter or pure capitalist would have never done so.
His mentality is like that of other grifters, which is that he has a gambler, and likes the excitement of risk. Trump is the same.
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Check your twitter discoverability via email or phone number settings on your account and make sure it is on private as it should be by default.

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Archie2009 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:53 pm
Malcolm wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:32 pm
If you look at the situation surrounding his purchase of Twitter, it also seems to call into question his basic business acumen, and shows just how juvenile and rose colored his notions of free speech are.
He’s a tech grifter who has managed to keep his grift going for nearly a quarter of a century. He’s never led a company to genuine profitability, not one.

His cars are shit. He just keeps adding investors to keep his enterprises solvent.

His character is irrelevant.
Aren't his vertically landing rockets a success, though?
Definitely better than NASA. But his space tourism thingy especially those so called trips to Mars, is definitely pure marketing gimmicks, they aren't happening.

The true value of spaceX lies in the fact that pentagon had found some important uses for his starlink. So it does not matter to the latter if company continues to make losses as long as its very useful to their various agendas.
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Kai lord wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:41 pm
Definitely better than NASA. But his space tourism thingy especially those so called trips to Mars, is definitely pure marketing gimmicks, they aren't happening.

The true value of spaceX lies in the fact that pentagon had found some important uses for his starlink. So it does not matter to the latter if company continues to make losses as long as its very useful to their various agendas.
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More Musk fodder, monkeys typing on a computer "telepathically" using Neuralink. Never mind aiming to improve/facilitate disabled people's interaction with technology, and to do so better than someone who has working hands, he aims to restore sight to the blind including those who have never had vision!

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dharmafootsteps wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:31 am More Musk fodder, monkeys typing on a computer "telepathically" using Neuralink.
Neuralink, the company that Elon Musk founded in 2016 with the vision of implanting a chip in people’s brains, is getting close to an important milestone: a human clinical trial of its technology.

But behind the scenes, the company has been plagued by dysfunctional management, Musk’s inconsistent involvement, and the lack of a clear chain of command, according to a half-dozen former Neuralink employees Fortune interviewed for a recent feature. That turmoil, the former employees say, has contributed to the departures of several key figures at the startup, including its day-to-day operational leader.
https://fortune.com/2022/01/31/neuralin ... max-hodak/

Sound familiar???
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dharmafootsteps wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:00 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:51 pm
dharmafootsteps wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:31 am More Musk fodder, monkeys typing on a computer "telepathically" using Neuralink.
Neuralink, the company that Elon Musk founded in 2016 with the vision of implanting a chip in people’s brains, is getting close to an important milestone: a human clinical trial of its technology.

But behind the scenes, the company has been plagued by dysfunctional management, Musk’s inconsistent involvement, and the lack of a clear chain of command, according to a half-dozen former Neuralink employees Fortune interviewed for a recent feature. That turmoil, the former employees say, has contributed to the departures of several key figures at the startup, including its day-to-day operational leader.
https://fortune.com/2022/01/31/neuralin ... max-hodak/

Sound familiar???
Sure. There's tons of legitimate criticism of Musk. I certainly wouldn't want to work for him.

I also wouldn't really trust much in media reporting on him though, he's too big a target now. Not to mention that, when it comes to tech reporting, once reputable publications have become what Trump always used to try to claim they were. It's not possible to form a reasonable opinion on the tech industry based on the media anymore.
Bruh...the media.


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dharmafootsteps wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:00 pm It's not possible to form a reasonable opinion on the tech industry based on the media anymore.
???

You understand that this undermines anything you might say?
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KeithA wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:15 pm
dharmafootsteps wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:00 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:51 pm




https://fortune.com/2022/01/31/neuralin ... max-hodak/

Sound familiar???
Sure. There's tons of legitimate criticism of Musk. I certainly wouldn't want to work for him.

I also wouldn't really trust much in media reporting on him though, he's too big a target now. Not to mention that, when it comes to tech reporting, once reputable publications have become what Trump always used to try to claim they were. It's not possible to form a reasonable opinion on the tech industry based on the media anymore.
Bruh...the media.


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This attitude is very problematic.
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Malcolm wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:17 pm
dharmafootsteps wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:00 pm It's not possible to form a reasonable opinion on the tech industry based on the media anymore.
???

You understand that this undermines anything you might say?
I haven't formed an opinion on the tech industry (along with various other things) based on the media for a long time. Not based on some distrust of the media, it's great for certain things, it's not for others. With the internet you can get direct access to a lot of information and don't need it filtered through journalists and their editors.

Health and fitness would be another good example. Relying on journalists for health and fitness information would be ridiculous in today's world. We all have direct access to more information than we could ever consume from people properly trained and qualified in those fields.
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I actually agree somewhat with the above sentiment. A lot of mainstream media reporting on science, tech, healthcare etc. is pretty bad. It’s not about agenda though really, just lack of competence and the fact that organizations that do not have experts to consult on certain things just don’t do enough analysis to accurately report.

That said, #1) a lot of ‘alternative media’ is much worse, and #2 I don’t need anything in depth to form an opinion on Elon. He’s a public figure doing much of his dumb shit in public.

As to neuralink helping people it’s a possibility, but there are companies that have been around a lot longer focused on things like helping disabled people. Musk has stated his main reason for neuralink and it’s the whole “Evil AI” scenario shared by various other libertarian tech bro types.

Basically, I have a good idea who Musk is without needing the media to be a certain way, and he’s gross.
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Johnny Dangerous wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:32 pm
Basically, I have a good idea who Musk is without needing the media to be a certain way, and he’s gross.
Strangely, he is the guy who developed Skylink, which is poised to become Skynet:
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To be fair many big leading companies especially tech are not profitable at all and finish with a yearly loss. It does not really matter as long as they are leading investors will give them money. Even take a look at Netflix for example.
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Toenail wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:12 pm To be fair many big leading companies especially tech are not profitable at all and finish with a yearly loss. It does not really matter as long as they are leading investors will give them money. Even take a look at Netflix for example.
Like most, Netflix could be. But many of their movies suck.

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Yes at 57.8% atm.

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Watch him step down as "head of Twitter", only to appoint someone else as head of Twitter, while he actually calls all of the shots behind the scenes still, as the technical owner of it all. All in an attempt to avoid more negative PR.
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