Did Ch. Namkhai Norbu R. attain rainbow body?

[Miorita]

Can I at least ask if there are any emanations from Rinpoche?
Yes, I would be very happy if it were so. For one I could ask him for refuge from turbid former sect followers. I’m not invincible you know... I may look tough but I’m not a snake charmer.

[Sādhaka]

Can I at least ask if there are any emanations from Rinpoche?
Yes, I would be very happy if it were so. For one I could ask him for refuge from turbid former sect followers. I’m not invincible you know... I may look tough but I’m not a snake charmer.

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[Miorita]

I heard from a reliable source a reincarnation of ChNN has been identified. I have no other details than this, but source is highly placed within the DC.

Does this imply Rinpoche left a letter with instructions?

I imagine, just my guess, that this recognition happened in Tibet, by Tibetans, for Tibetan reasons, which have nothing to do with the DC, Longsal, or even Dzogchen.

That's fine with me! I have no intent on deluding these people.
In fact it's why we have prayer flags, and prayer wheels (some of us), so that the less fortunate benefit.
And then the famous "work with the circumstances" means different things to different people.
Some are individualists and need no guidance. These statues of indifference are useless brains.
I do feel the need of guidance or at least relating to another human being. I'm not a Buddha and won't become one.

[Lhundrub]

Can I at least ask if there are any emanations from Rinpoche?
Yes, I would be very happy if it were so. For one I could ask him for refuge from turbid former sect followers. I’m not invincible you know... I may look tough but I’m not a snake charmer.

Word on the street is that ChNN has taken rebirth into the Khön family as a grandson of HH Gongma Trichen Rinpoche. The thing is that HH Sakya Trichen only formally recognizes and enthrones Tulkus when there is a unanimous request from the whole Sangha. What would be the chances of IDC coming together and getting behind this? Would be wonderful if it could happen!

[lelopa]

Can I at least ask if there are any emanations from Rinpoche?
Yes, I would be very happy if it were so. For one I could ask him for refuge from turbid former sect followers. I’m not invincible you know... I may look tough but I’m not a snake charmer.

Word on the street is that ChNN has taken rebirth into the Khön family as a grandson of HH Gongma Trichen Rinpoche. ......

[treehuggingoctopus]

Can I at least ask if there are any emanations from Rinpoche?
Yes, I would be very happy if it were so. For one I could ask him for refuge from turbid former sect followers. I’m not invincible you know... I may look tough but I’m not a snake charmer.

Word on the street is that ChNN has taken rebirth into the Khön family as a grandson of HH Gongma Trichen Rinpoche. The thing is that HH Sakya Trichen only formally recognizes and enthrones Tulkus when there is a unanimous request from the whole Sangha. What would be the chances of IDC coming together and getting behind this? Would be wonderful if it could happen!

Zero chance whatsoever. Would be wonderful, though.

[Sādhaka]

Like I said before, I'd heard that ChNNR had said that he did not want to reincarnate here again, and even one of his Heart Sons seemed to have heard similar directly from Rinpoche. It is possible that he could have changed his mind....

Even though many Sakyapas do practice Mahasandhi, I don't see how any Sakyapa monastery would particularly benefit in an worldly way from recognizing the Tulku of a Guru whose previous Incarnation was known for only wanting to teach Dzogchen and little to no Sakya or Kagyu practices, and also whose previous Tulkus were associated with the Kagyu of Bhutan. Therefore, if this report is true, perhaps Chögyal Namkhai Norbu did change his mind about not reincarnating here again....

[Malcolm]

Even though many Sakyapas do practice Mahasandhi, I don't see how any Sakyapa monastery would particularly benefit in an worldly way from recognizing the Tulku of a Guru whose previous Incarnation was known for only wanting to teach Dzogchen and little to no Sakya or Kagyu practices, and also whose previous Tulkus were associated with the Kagyu of Bhutan. Therefore, if this report is true, perhaps Chögyal Namkhai Norbu did change his mind about not reincarnating here again....

ChNN was also recognized as the tulku of a Sakya Khenpo. Not only that, but Adzom Drukpa's main teacher was affiliated with Sakya. Not only this, but HHST and CHNN were quite close.

I don't think this has anything to do with ChNN changing his mind. If the tulku is real, it is because ChNN's transcendent state is manifesting that effortlessly.

[treehuggingoctopus]

Like I said before, I'd heard that ChNNR had said that he did not want to reincarnate here again, and even one of his Heart Sons seemed to have heard similar directly from Rinpoche. It is possible that he could have changed his mind....

Even though many Sakyapas do practice Mahasandhi, I don't see how any Sakyapa monastery would particularly benefit in an worldly way from recognizing the Tulku of a Guru whose previous Incarnation was known for only wanting to teach Dzogchen and little to no Sakya or Kagyu practices, and also whose previous Tulkus were associated with the Kagyu of Bhutan. Therefore, if this report is true, perhaps Chögyal Namkhai Norbu did change his mind about not reincarnating here again....

Elio Guarisco, who was also a student of HHST41, claimed that the Sakya education had actually shaped ChNN's approach to the Dharma -- that, apart from Dzogchen, obviously, it had been *the* crucial influence on ChNN.

And, as Malcolm noted, HHST and ChNN were very close. HHST taught in Merigar and elsewhere, gave us relics for our stupas, consecrated them, etc. And I am told that ChNN taught at Sakya centres in Asia and the US, on HHST's invitation.

[Damienabel108]

If so, I'm guessing it would be the baby.

[Malcolm]

Elio Guarisco, who was also a student of HHST41, claimed that the Sakya education had actually shaped ChNN's approach to the Dharma -- that, apart from Dzogchen, obviously, it had been *the* crucial influence on ChNN.

For anyone raised in Sakya, like myself, that is pretty obvious. ChNN even mentions this many times in autobiographical remarks.

[treehuggingoctopus]

Elio Guarisco, who was also a student of HHST41, claimed that the Sakya education had actually shaped ChNN's approach to the Dharma -- that, apart from Dzogchen, obviously, it had been *the* crucial influence on ChNN.

For anyone raised in Sakya, like myself, that is pretty obvious. ChNN even mentions this many times in autobiographical remarks.

Thanks, Loppon-la. Stands to reason: Sakya was the only formal education he received.

[Virgo]

Elio Guarisco, who was also a student of HHST41, claimed that the Sakya education had actually shaped ChNN's approach to the Dharma -- that, apart from Dzogchen, obviously, it had been *the* crucial influence on ChNN.

For anyone raised in Sakya, like myself, that is pretty obvious. ChNN even mentions this many times in autobiographical remarks.

It's one of the things that made ChNN so great.

Virgo

[Tata1]

Even though many Sakyapas do practice Mahasandhi, I don't see how any Sakyapa monastery would particularly benefit in an worldly way from recognizing the Tulku of a Guru whose previous Incarnation was known for only wanting to teach Dzogchen and little to no Sakya or Kagyu practices, and also whose previous Tulkus were associated with the Kagyu of Bhutan. Therefore, if this report is true, perhaps Chögyal Namkhai Norbu did change his mind about not reincarnating here again....

I don't think this has anything to do with ChNN changing his mind. If the tulku is real, it is because ChNN's transcendent state is manifesting that effortlessly.

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[Johnny Dangerous]

Elio Guarisco, who was also a student of HHST41, claimed that the Sakya education had actually shaped ChNN's approach to the Dharma -- that, apart from Dzogchen, obviously, it had been *the* crucial influence on ChNN.

For anyone raised in Sakya, like myself, that is pretty obvious. ChNN even mentions this many times in autobiographical remarks.

He also went out of his way to not identify with a particular lineage though, there’s that whole story about something like ‘Sakya name tag’ and him feeling out of place when they asked his lineage. Not disputing the significance, but if ChNN felt this way about his own approach, what was the meaning of that anecdote?

[Malcolm]

what was the meaning of that anecdote?

He used to frequently contrast his feeling of strong sectarianism for Sakya with his post-Changchub Dorje POV.

But he also said many times that since his main education was in Sakya, when it came to Sutra and Tantra, he explained things according to the Sakya school. We used to chat a lot about his Sakya college professors.

[Norwegian]

To think that being born in the Khön Sakya family should be some sort of detriment to the development of an individual as a practitioner, is a little strange. If anything, it's a fantastic starting point. If the tulku really is a tulku of Chögyal Namkhai Norbu, then that tulku will encounter Dzogchen again like before. And when that happens, everything will unfold naturally as it will.

When ChNN was born, he was recognized not just as a Drukpa Kagyu tulku but also as a Sakya tulku, as Malcolm mentioned. And he was educated in two very good Sakya monasteries. He had numerous teachers, from many schools and lineages. As far as particularities of lineage and such, he himself said more than once that he was part of the Adzom Drukpa lineage of the Longchen Nyingthig. And, as a Dzogchen practitioner, he truly went beyond.

So I don't see how a Sakya basis was a problem here for ChNN's development.

If it's the case that there is a tulku, then I can only say that I hope for the best, however it manifests. Someone who is in the hands of HH Sakya Trichen is in very good hands.

[Johnny Dangerous]

what was the meaning of that anecdote?

He used to frequently contrast his feeling of strong sectarianism for Sakya with his post-Changchub Dorje POV.

But he also said many times that since his main education was in Sakya, when it came to Sutra and Tantra, he explained things according to the Sakya school. We used to chat a lot about his Sakya college professors.

Yeah, I remember now the parts about being intellectually driven with his pre Dzogchen education.

[Norwegian]

He also went out of his way to not identify with a particular lineage though

Yes and no.

In general, he would always just say he practiced Dzogchen, and left it at that. That was repeated again and again.

But he could also go into specifics if needed. Sometimes (for example referencing accusations of being a Bönpo, which he completely rejected) he would state very clearly that he was part of the Adzom Drukpa lineage of the Longchen Nyingthig. That is something very specific.

[heart]

He also went out of his way to not identify with a particular lineage though

Yes and no.

In general, he would always just say he practiced Dzogchen, and left it at that. That was repeated again and again.

But he could also go into specifics if needed. Sometimes (for example referencing accusations of being a Bönpo, which he completely rejected) he would state very clearly that he was part of the Adzom Drukpa lineage of the Longchen Nyingthig. That is something very specific.

Indeed, that is how Nyoshul Khen Rinpoche describe him in A Marvelous Garland of Rare Gems