Hi dear all, its been a long time.
here if a man performs an act of anger, he kills his own parents mother father or hurt and injured his own parents.
whether unknowingly or knowingly. here intention(volition) is karma. But if he does so unknowingly through anger. Does this have karma?
Since karma is abt volition
a clear example would be explain would be a volitional act that transgress.
example intentionally kill a living being. intent to harm someone
clear example intend to get somebody to die planned it. another a intent that delibately lie to a person. harm him
but here he kill out of anger mean he would not well thought it. Hence does so unknowingly. without the delibate intend.
If so will he have karma?
as he does things out of anger he does not have thought or intend for it intend it if so he act upon anger
then will he have karma?
Anger
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Re: Anger
For example, I am angry at you, so I put a stone inside your shoe. But when you wear the shoe, you feel the stone when you walk down stairs, and this causes you to trip, and you fall down the stairs and die.Codexmaster985 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:02 pm Hi dear all, its been a long time.
here if a man performs an act of anger, he kills his own parents mother father or hurt and injured his own parents.
whether unknowingly or knowingly. here intention(volition) is karma. But if he does so unknowingly through anger. Does this have karma?
Since karma is abt volition
a clear example would be explain would be a volitional act that transgress.
example intentionally kill a living being. intent to harm someone
clear example intend to get somebody to die planned it. another a intent that delibately lie to a person. harm him
but here he kill out of anger mean he would not well thought it. Hence does so unknowingly. without the delibate intend.
If so will he have karma?
as he does things out of anger he does not have thought or intend for it intend it if so he act upon anger
then will he have karma?
I only wanted you to feel pain in your foot, but I did not intend to kill you.
Is this sort of what you are describing?
And what kind of karma results?
There will always be some type of karmic result, even if it is only that you will feel guilty for the rest of your life. As long as there is a mental imprint, there is karma.
But what if you do something out of anger, towards a person, that leads to that person dying, but for your whole life, you never learn about their death, so you don’t know you caused it? Is there still karma without the basis of a mental imprint?
I don’t know what the teachings say about that. Everything is interconnected. There are probably things that everyone has done that has resulted in great misfortune or even the death for someone, if you follow a chain of events far enough, that we are unaware of. Sometimes the cause of one person to murder another can be traced back to early childhood trauma. If someone is teased by classmates as a child, and they grow up and kill people, do his classmates carry that karma too?
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Re: Anger
Creation of karma requires: 1. Intention 2. Action 3. SatisfactionCodexmaster985 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:02 pmwhether unknowingly or knowingly. here intention(volition) is karma. But if he does so unknowingly through anger. Does this have karma?
If all three is present, then it creates new karma, if only one or two of these is present, then it 'only' reinforces already existent karma.
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Re: Anger
Why is the example always something like "killing"?
Why do you not ask, "does it create karma if I accidentally, without meaning to do so, give food or some other beneficial object/substance to a being who needs it?"
Why do you not ask, "does it create karma if I accidentally, without meaning to do so, give food or some other beneficial object/substance to a being who needs it?"
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They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Sarvē mānavāḥ svatantrāḥ samutpannāḥ vartantē api ca, gauravadr̥śā adhikāradr̥śā ca samānāḥ ēva vartantē. Ētē sarvē cētanā-tarka-śaktibhyāṁ susampannāḥ santi. Api ca, sarvē’pi bandhutva-bhāvanayā parasparaṁ vyavaharantu."
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 1. (in english and sanskrit)
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Sarvē mānavāḥ svatantrāḥ samutpannāḥ vartantē api ca, gauravadr̥śā adhikāradr̥śā ca samānāḥ ēva vartantē. Ētē sarvē cētanā-tarka-śaktibhyāṁ susampannāḥ santi. Api ca, sarvē’pi bandhutva-bhāvanayā parasparaṁ vyavaharantu."
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 1. (in english and sanskrit)
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Re: Anger
Losal Samten seems to have the details.Codexmaster985 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:02 pm Hi dear all, its been a long time.
here if a man performs an act of anger, he kills his own parents mother father or hurt and injured his own parents.
whether unknowingly or knowingly. here intention(volition) is karma. But if he does so unknowingly through anger. Does this have karma?
Since karma is abt volition
a clear example would be explain would be a volitional act that transgress.
example intentionally kill a living being. intent to harm someone
clear example intend to get somebody to die planned it. another a intent that delibately lie to a person. harm him
but here he kill out of anger mean he would not well thought it. Hence does so unknowingly. without the delibate intend.
If so will he have karma?
as he does things out of anger he does not have thought or intend for it intend it if so he act upon anger
then will he have karma?
Karma is often stated as a law and, yep OP, volition, prima facie, feels important. I ain't sure though - anatta (no self).Losal Samten wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:25 amCreation of karma requires: 1. Intention 2. Action 3. SatisfactionCodexmaster985 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:02 pmwhether unknowingly or knowingly. here intention(volition) is karma. But if he does so unknowingly through anger. Does this have karma?
If all three is present, then it creates new karma, if only one or two of these is present, then it 'only' reinforces already existent karma.