Are there higher Tantras revolving around Avalokiteshvara. Amitabha or the form of Shakyamuni? Like there is the Kalachakra Tantra revolving around the Kalachakra deity, and the Chakrasamvara Tantra revolving the deity Chakrasamvara.
Is there the equivalent to other more well known deities like Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha? A higher annutarayoga tantra or highest tantra revolving around these Buddhas or others like Tara or Manjushri?
Or is the practice revolving for instance say Avalokiteshvara only limited to sutra and dharani pracrice, and maximally to some "lesser" tantras?
Is there a system/tradition that brings about buddhahood on revolving deep Avalokiteshvara practice?
Thank you in advance.
Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha in Tantric practice?
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Re: Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha in Tantric practice?
Actual Tantras I’m not sure, but there are anuttara and anuyoga sadhanas involving them.
I had a long group conversation with a Khenpo once about the main Chenrezig practice I am familiar with in the Sakya tradition, and he concluded it was annutarayoga. I am also familiar with an anuyoga Chenrezig practice ChNN transmitted.
At least in Sakya I don’t think these practices are as high -in practice- as Hevajra, etc. though.
In my experience there is also not always a clear answer, no uniform agreement among teachers as to which class of Tantra a given practice belongs, ymmv.
I had a long group conversation with a Khenpo once about the main Chenrezig practice I am familiar with in the Sakya tradition, and he concluded it was annutarayoga. I am also familiar with an anuyoga Chenrezig practice ChNN transmitted.
At least in Sakya I don’t think these practices are as high -in practice- as Hevajra, etc. though.
In my experience there is also not always a clear answer, no uniform agreement among teachers as to which class of Tantra a given practice belongs, ymmv.
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Re: Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha in Tantric practice?
There are termas around Chenrezig.
Re: Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha in Tantric practice?
For Manjusri, it will be Mañjuśrī-Nāma-Saṃgīti, classified under non dual highest yoga tantra along with kalachakra and hevajra.nomono wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:35 pm Are there higher Tantras revolving around Avalokiteshvara. Amitabha or the form of Shakyamuni? Like there is the Kalachakra Tantra revolving around the Kalachakra deity, and the Chakrasamvara Tantra revolving the deity Chakrasamvara.
Is there the equivalent to other more well known deities like Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha? A higher annutarayoga tantra or highest tantra revolving around these Buddhas or others like Tara or Manjushri?
Or is the practice revolving for instance say Avalokiteshvara only limited to sutra and dharani pracrice, and maximally to some "lesser" tantras?
Is there a system/tradition that brings about buddhahood on revolving deep Avalokiteshvara practice?
Thank you in advance.
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Re: Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha in Tantric practice?
Avalokiteshvara Jinasagara is HYT and there are several lineages of practice relating to this deity. There are other, less common forms of HYT Avalokiteshvara as well.
Karma Chagme’s Amitabha terma is also HYT.
Karma Chagme’s Amitabha terma is also HYT.
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Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")