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rai
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"profound approach"

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Dear Cone,

does this set of instructions has a specific name in Kagyu, in case someone would like to request teachings on it?

From Creatiion and Completion by Jamgon Kongrul"

"The king of Dharma, the unsurpassable Dagpo
said that there is no more profound approach than
looking at the essence and holding a few "gentle" breaths
while doing profound mental recitation, thus incorporating it with
human life,
and occasionally praying to the guru and blending your minds."
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rai wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:09 pm Dear Cone,

does this set of instructions has a specific name in Kagyu, in case someone would like to request teachings on it?

From Creatiion and Completion by Jamgon Kongrul"

"The king of Dharma, the unsurpassable Dagpo
said that there is no more profound approach than
looking at the essence and holding a few "gentle" breaths
while doing profound mental recitation, thus incorporating it with
human life,
and occasionally praying to the guru and blending your minds."
Though I am not Cone, I think what is spoken of in the quote is so called "parlung" also known as "small vase of gentle wind (breath)" or "pumchung chamlung". Gendun Rinpoche used to call it "mahamudra breathing for lazy people" :D Because it is very easy, requires very little effort and supports practice of mahamudra.
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Just saw this...

In response, I think the comment refers to instructions which would be contained in many different explications of deity yoga--it's a sort of general comment on a stage of mental recitation I have encountered in several different sadhana explanations. Basically, in the context of creation and completion, silent or "mental" recitation, combined with BarLung or even BumChen, is a technique or stage of "Daypa," or recitation--that is linked to Completion stage, and sort of combines creation stage and a version of Completion Stage without signs--as compared to, say, Tummo or various TsaLung Tigle visualizations that are more "with signs." These are pith instructions that have been incorporated into various sadhana instruction manuals.

Would be best to ask your teacher that specific question, in relation to whatever you practice.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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..it is also found in some Guru Yoga practices, as well.....
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Thank you for the replies :anjali:
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