Dzogchen Lungs this July 2022 (Precious Reading Transmissions From Khen Namdrol Rinpoche)

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I posted in the Dharma Events room.

Question tho, why those specific prerequisites (nyingtiks)? Is this part of some "series" or "family" of practices?

https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=40351

https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=40350
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Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:47 am I posted in the Dharma Events room.

Question tho, why those specific prerequisites (nyingtiks)? Is this part of some "series" or "family" of practices?

https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=40351

https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=40350
It says "a student must have received a Dzogchen empowerment such as the Nyingtig Yabzhi, Thiglé Gyachan, or Chetsun Nyingtig empowerment from a fully qualified master." So they are examples of qualifying Dzogchen empowerments.

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Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:47 am I posted in the Dharma Events room.

Question tho, why those specific prerequisites (nyingtiks)? Is this part of some "series" or "family" of practices?

https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=40351

https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=40350

For the Chetsun Nyingthik commentary, it's understandable that he is asking students to have the Chetsun Nyingthik empowerment.

For the tsik don dzod, it just asks for a general nyingthig class empowerment, not necessarily those listed (which are just popular and common nyingthig empowerments).

They are all empowerments from the yang gsang bla na med pa'i skor, the innermost secret unsurpassed cycle of Dzogchen menngagde.
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Can I attend with my 17 tantra and Longchen Nyingtik lungs?
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Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:34 pm Can I attend with my 17 tantra and Longchen Nyingtik lungs?
Those are lungs, not empowerments, so no, unless you've had a relevant empowerment.
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Sad.

Well, I hope everyone else makes it to the upcoming events I shared.
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Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:34 pm Can I attend with my 17 tantra and Longchen Nyingtik lungs?
No. You need to have received a necessary empowerment.
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Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:06 pm Sad.
It’s not really so sad. For you at this point, what you need is not more books; what you need to be seeking out is a guru you can trust who can give you empowerment and ongoing guidance. Oh after empowerment and instruction are you gonna gain any understanding from such books. Otherwise, you’re left with nothing more than fortunate connections for some future life.
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I have a guru.

I just got Vajrakilaya among others from him.
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For the tsik don dzod, it just asks for a general nyingthig class empowerment, not necessarily those listed (which are just popular and common nyingthig empowerments).

They are all empowerments from the yang gsang bla na med pa'i skor, the innermost secret unsurpassed cycle of Dzogchen menngagde.

Does the Chime Pakme Nyingtik empowerment given by HH Sakya Trizin recently count?
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Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:53 pm I have a guru.

I just got Vajrakilaya among others from him.
That’s wonderful, but your stated issue is you haven’t received Dzogchen empowerment.
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ninespokes wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:57 am
For the tsik don dzod, it just asks for a general nyingthig class empowerment, not necessarily those listed (which are just popular and common nyingthig empowerments).

They are all empowerments from the yang gsang bla na med pa'i skor, the innermost secret unsurpassed cycle of Dzogchen menngagde.

Does the Chime Pakme Nyingtik empowerment given by HH Sakya Trizin recently count?
No.
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Perhaps this is a bit off-topic, but what is the difference between a Guru Yoga like say the one in the Longchen Nyingtik ngondro or Rigdzin Dupa and Tigle Gyachen if one has already received pointing out instructions and/or rig pa'i rtsal dbang? What happens as you go more inner/secret?
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Hello!
Please clarify if it’s possible to listen to this Lung?

I have different Empowerments and transmissions from many different Lamas.

I follow the Ganteng Tulku Rimpoche, the Kunsan Gondu cycle, perform
preliminary practices, rushens..

On a regular basis:
Lama Norbu Gyatso, Vajra Varahi, Amitayus, Shitro, Kagye..

YesheKhorlo center in Moscow.

Dzogchen Transmission from Namkai Norbu Rimpoche.
Empowerment: Karlin Shitro, Guhyagarbha, Kagye and others.

Vajrasattva 100000

Lung: on 17 tantras, on some works of Logchenpa, and more…
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You should be fine for the treasury. Not the ChetsunNyinthig.
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Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:53 pm I have a guru.

I just got Vajrakilaya among others from him.
Pema Rigdzin wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:29 am
Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:53 pm I have a guru.

I just got Vajrakilaya among others from him.
That’s wonderful, but your stated issue is you haven’t received Dzogchen empowerment.
Depending on which Vajrakilaya cycle wouldn't it have Rigpai tsal d'bang as part of the empowerment also?


Anyway, Khenchen Namdrol is traveling again?
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Passing By wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:51 pm
Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:53 pm I have a guru.

I just got Vajrakilaya among others from him.
Pema Rigdzin wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:29 am
Nalanda wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:53 pm I have a guru.

I just got Vajrakilaya among others from him.
That’s wonderful, but your stated issue is you haven’t received Dzogchen empowerment.
Depending on which Vajrakilaya cycle wouldn't it have Rigpai tsal d'bang as part of the empowerment also?


Anyway, Khenchen Namdrol is traveling again?
Well, it depends if Nalanda received an empowerment or a lung for Vajrakilaya. It is unclear what the case it.
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Even if Nalanda received a Vajrakilaya empowerment, that is not a Dzogchen empowerment as stated in the prerequisites.
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Does receiving the four empowerments (vase, speech, wisdom, precious word) qualify as a Dzogchen empowerment?
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ninespokes wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:56 am Does receiving the four empowerments (vase, speech, wisdom, precious word) qualify as a Dzogchen empowerment?
No, in Ati "one’s mind is matured through the four ‘expressive power of awareness’ empowerments (Tib. རིག་པའི་རྩལ་དབང་, rigpé tsal wang)"

https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Atiyoga

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