HYT Wangs
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Let's move on.
A good post on the 3rd lineage of this practice:
https://dakinitranslations.com/2022/06/ ... ana-texts/
A good post on the 3rd lineage of this practice:
https://dakinitranslations.com/2022/06/ ... ana-texts/
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I just want to chime in once more. Some have suggested that His Holiness said nothing about a GY commitment but a
someone else has reported that he said to do the 'four types of giving six times a day'. I would suggest that this is most likely a reference to the six-session Guru yoga. I would be wary of thinking that because you didn't hear the English language translator say the actual words 'six-session Guru yoga' that His Holiness must not have given that commitment.
someone else has reported that he said to do the 'four types of giving six times a day'. I would suggest that this is most likely a reference to the six-session Guru yoga. I would be wary of thinking that because you didn't hear the English language translator say the actual words 'six-session Guru yoga' that His Holiness must not have given that commitment.
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Hi Dharmadale,Dharmadale wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:30 am I just want to chime in once more. Some have suggested that His Holiness said nothing about a GY commitment but a
someone else has reported that he said to do the 'four types of giving six times a day'. I would suggest that this is most likely a reference to the six-session Guru yoga. I would be wary of thinking that because you didn't hear the English language translator say the actual words 'six-session Guru yoga' that His Holiness must not have given that commitment.
This was covered earlier in the thread but it is 100% certain that His Holiness did not mention six session guru yoga as a commitment. The four types of giving six times a day is part of the recitation for transmitting the tantric vows and one of the reasons for doing six session guru yoga, but His Holiness never explicitly stated that six session guru yoga must be done.
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Wonderful, thanks for sharing!tobes wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:05 am Let's move on.
A good post on the 3rd lineage of this practice:
https://dakinitranslations.com/2022/06/ ... ana-texts/
Edit: Also, for those who did receive the initiation, there is a surprisingly decent amount of translated material for this particular practice- short and medium daily Sadhana, 2 tsok practice texts, praises, retreat manual, and a few separate commentaries on the Medium length Sadhana by the 7th Dalai Lama.
It is always good to receive an initiation with plenty of translated material on the subject. It is out there, just have to find it.
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I am not certain, but I believe you will find some material regarding this lineage of Gyalwa Gyatso in the DamNgak Dzo, and specifically in English in the volume “Mahasiddha Practice.”
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Just asking to be clear, the Kamtsang does not practice Mitra-Yogin's Lokesvara Jinasagara right? I thought that both the five and nine deity mandalas practiced in Karma Kagyu are from Rechungps (so from Siddha-rajni I'd guess)? And so basically not the Mitra-Gyatsa mandala that His Holiness granted empowerment for. Again, I'm not 100% sure but I'd guess that Mitra-Gyatsa and the Vajravali are basically followed in the Sakya and the Gelug, would that be correct?
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I'm not very knowledgeable. I just can say as a Gelug student, I never heard any of those words that you used above. I don't even have the faintest idea what you are talking about.tony_montana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:22 am Just asking to be clear, the Kamtsang does not practice Mitra-Yogin's Lokesvara Jinasagara right? I thought that both the five and nine deity mandalas practiced in Karma Kagyu are from Rechungps (so from Siddha-rajni I'd guess)? And so basically not the Mitra-Gyatsa mandala that His Holiness granted empowerment for. Again, I'm not 100% sure but I'd guess that Mitra-Gyatsa and the Vajravali are basically followed in the Sakya and the Gelug, would that be correct?
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I guess I have a knack for general confusion and mayhemAyu wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:42 pmI'm not very knowledgeable. I just can say as a Gelug student, I never heard any of those words that you used above. I don't even have the faintest idea what you are talking about.tony_montana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:22 am Just asking to be clear, the Kamtsang does not practice Mitra-Yogin's Lokesvara Jinasagara right? I thought that both the five and nine deity mandalas practiced in Karma Kagyu are from Rechungps (so from Siddha-rajni I'd guess)? And so basically not the Mitra-Gyatsa mandala that His Holiness granted empowerment for. Again, I'm not 100% sure but I'd guess that Mitra-Gyatsa and the Vajravali are basically followed in the Sakya and the Gelug, would that be correct?
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Pretty much correct. Some Kagyupas May practice these, but I’d venture it is rare. Situ Rinpoche requested this empowerment—but I know he is expert in the usual Kamtsang Gyalwa Gyamtso practices coming down from Rechungpa etc.tony_montana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:22 am Just asking to be clear, the Kamtsang does not practice Mitra-Yogin's Lokesvara Jinasagara right? I thought that both the five and nine deity mandalas practiced in Karma Kagyu are from Rechungps (so from Siddha-rajni I'd guess)? And so basically not the Mitra-Gyatsa mandala that His Holiness granted empowerment for. Again, I'm not 100% sure but I'd guess that Mitra-Gyatsa and the Vajravali are basically followed in the Sakya and the Gelug, would that be correct?
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Thanks Cone, I just have a gut-feeling that Tai Situ Rinpoche is collecting all Gyalwa Gyatso lineages. May be a day will come when he will transmit all of them to those who are interested in this practice. I pray that day comes soon.conebeckham wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:52 pmPretty much correct. Some Kagyupas May practice these, but I’d venture it is rare. Situ Rinpoche requested this empowerment—but I know he is expert in the usual Kamtsang Gyalwa Gyamtso practices coming down from Rechungpa etc.tony_montana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:22 am Just asking to be clear, the Kamtsang does not practice Mitra-Yogin's Lokesvara Jinasagara right? I thought that both the five and nine deity mandalas practiced in Karma Kagyu are from Rechungps (so from Siddha-rajni I'd guess)? And so basically not the Mitra-Gyatsa mandala that His Holiness granted empowerment for. Again, I'm not 100% sure but I'd guess that Mitra-Gyatsa and the Vajravali are basically followed in the Sakya and the Gelug, would that be correct?
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As an update, I have now seen in two separate commentaries by recent Masters that this is indeed from Mother Tantra. There are elements of the sadhana that makes this a little more clear.Terma wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:59 pmI have not seen a difinitive answer on whether it is mother or father tantra. I think I read when HH previously gave this empowerment he had said it came from the father tantra class, and I think I have seen where it is more common with Guhyasamaja.Lobsang Chojor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:11 pm
Also, Gyalwa Gyatso is a mother tantra practice so comes with those specific commitments but they weren't spelt out in the empowerment.
But then again, I've seen commentaries suggesting it was mother tantra.
https://www.lamayeshe.com/article/comme ... lwa-gyatso
"Just a moment ago I said, I think this belongs to the Guhyasamaja group, that means it is possible to practice the Gyalwa Gyatso deity according to Kalachakra or dzog chen, due to the mental disposition of the practitioner. This generally belongs to the Guhyasamaja group. Within that we have Mother Tantra and Father Tantra. Since there is a Father Tantra and a Mother Tantra there must be a Son Tantra, without son we cannot speak of father and mother, can we?
Now you see, Guhyasamaja belongs to Father Tantra, Heruka to Mother Tantra..."
So I'm not really sure.
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Well practising Dharma is not about number game after all.....hmmm or is it?
*Ferociously count number of mantras recited during retreat.*
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We have already the links for it! Within 14 days! Sure will be streamed live!
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“Whatever the situation is, it’s fine!”
“I really don’t need anything!
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“Whatever the situation is, it’s fine!”
“I really don’t need anything!
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔ ཀརྨ་པ་མཁྱེན་ནོ།
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This is wonderful news.Nyedrag Yeshe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:55 am We have already the links for it! Within 14 days! Sure will be streamed live!
Not to beat a dead horse, but everyone should be aware of the commitments. Aside from a daily practice/sadhana, I'm certain it will come with six session guru yoga.
FYI for anyone considering taking this initiation.
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Pleasantly surprised that the first HYT empowerment Holiness choose to give online through livestream is Chakrasamvara, I was previously guessing his first online major HYT empowerment will be Kalachakra instead.
But if its a daily sadhana commitment, then there is no way about it unless you are already doing Luipa tradition of Chakrasamvara
Do the guru yoga from your own tradition(s), you can even make it six times if you are concerned with the number.Könchok Thrinley wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:01 pm What should then non-gelugpas do after taking HYT from HH Dalailama?
But if its a daily sadhana commitment, then there is no way about it unless you are already doing Luipa tradition of Chakrasamvara
Life is like a game, either you win or lose!
Life is like a fight, either you live or die!
Life is like a show, either you laugh or cry!
Life is like a dream, either you know or not!!!
Life is like a fight, either you live or die!
Life is like a show, either you laugh or cry!
Life is like a dream, either you know or not!!!
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Not the first, but yes a very pleasant surprise. The previous empowerment of Jinisagara (Gyalwa Gyatso) that was given 2 weeks ago was HYT.
Also, HH streamed the Manjushri Cycle of empowerment's last year as well.
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For the upcoming Luipa Chakrasamvara initiation, His Holiness' website has explicitly stated that either the sadhana or at least the Three Purifications practice is a daily commitment and uploaded the file for it, but they have also put up a six session guru yoga file. Perhaps they are anticipating that His Holiness will make it a commitment as well.
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From His Holiness'website:jmlee369 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:36 am For the upcoming Luipa Chakrasamvara initiation, His Holiness' website has explicitly stated that either the sadhana or at least the Three Purifications practice is a daily commitment and uploaded the file for it, but they have also put up a six session guru yoga file. Perhaps they are anticipating that His Holiness will make it a commitment as well.
"Please note that people attending the initiation are required to do the daily practice of the Six-Session Guru Yoga which is compulsory for Highest Yoga Tantra empowerments. "
https://www.dalailama.com/schedule
It's very good to see some clarity as to the expectations with this particular empowerment that is being conferred.
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Warning! The Empowerment starts on July 8th IN INDIA. For some timezones, this is July 7th. I just realized this today.
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Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."
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-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra
"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."
-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats
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Can you please share a link to the uploaded file on HHDL's website ?jmlee369 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:36 am For the upcoming Luipa Chakrasamvara initiation, His Holiness' website has explicitly stated that either the sadhana or at least the Three Purifications practice is a daily commitment and uploaded the file for it, but they have also put up a six session guru yoga file. Perhaps they are anticipating that His Holiness will make it a commitment as well.