Did Nichiren introduced yogachara concept in his teaching or were they already part of tendai?

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Queequeg wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:52 pm .
Let me see if I become clearer.
There is no school in the Chinese Buddhist tradition that is really madhyamaka. Even the Sanlun school, which is said to be its Chinese representative, is not purely madhyamaka.

Tiantai and Huayen are schools that depart from the Madhyamaka nomenclature, but they are not madhyamikas.

Orthodox Madhyamaka does not allow any claims to be made in terms of absolute truth, not even sensitive Buddhist topics such as the Four Noble Truths can be presented as absolute Truths.

However, both Tiantai and Huayen are schools that produce statements. Zhiyi developed a sophisticated scheme that asserts a "nature" of reality, Ichinen Sanzen, just as Huayen developed a similar idea using another nomenclature.

Both traditions rely heavily on texts that are not exponents of the Madhyamaka view. In Tiantai's classification, the Sutra that occupies the apex of the teaching is the Lotus Sutra, accompanied by the Nirvana Sutra. And second is the Avatamsaka Sutra.

Sutra, Nirvana and Avatamsaka Sutras are texts that do not belong to the immediate category of Madhyamaka's primary sources, but rather to the Tathagatagarbha movement, which are the sources that served for the development of Yogacara thought.

Yogacara is not an absolute antithesis to Madhyamaka, but a movement that sought a solution to several problems in the approach of the madhyamikas, problems that naturally end up refuting Buddhism.

The original madhyamaka notion presupposes only two levels of truths: the conventional, or apparent, truth, which is that of existence, and the absolute truth, which is Shunyata, Empytness. However, this statement is illogical, because if everything is without qualities, shunyata, there would be no way to distinguish objects and there would be the process that we call knowledge.

Asanga's job was to try to find a valid answer to understand how Emptyness and Existence can be simultaneous truths, as presented in Madhyamaka. The method for this was based on the meditative practice itself, observing the mind and reality as it is. That's why the school is called Yogacara (Practice of Discipline).

Yogacara is a better developed version of Madhyamaka, and from it several important and crucial elements of Buddhism developed, for example: Eight (or Nine) Consciousnesses, Suchness, understanding of Tathagatagarbha as a positive expression of Shunya, Three Bodies of Buddha, etc. .

No Buddhist school of Chinese origin, not even Sanron, presents their positions without using these concepts developed by the Yogacaras. Sanron's most important text, for example, is not one of the Three Treatises (which gives the school its name), but the Daichidiron, which is possibly an apocryphal of Kumarajiva, and which presents a system that merged the same Madhyamakas and Yogacara conceptions.

It was the Yogacara conception that saved Buddhist discourse and the possibility of presenting and elaborating doctrines, and all Chinese (and most Tibetan) schools are extremely dependent on it. In the orthodox Tiantai lineage of Shakyamuni Buddha, both Nagarjuna and Asanga, as well as Vasubhandu, appear.

The only school that expounds a purely madhymaka position in Mahayana Buddhism today is the Gelugpa, and because it is the school of H.H. Dalai Lama, many Buddhists end up forcing themselves to adapt their school to a strict view of madhyamaka, forcing a supposed general Buddhist "orthodoxy".

In summary, the formulation of Mahayana Buddhism in philosophical terms occurs first in the refutation of the Sarvastivadas propositions (everything exists) by Nagarjuna, which ends up giving rise to the Madhymaka, and later in the rectification of a series of new problems that the madhyamika "argumentation" generates, giving rise to Yogacara, which culminates in the formulation of the general Mahayana thought that is the basis of Sino-Japanese Buddhism.

Sanlun, Tiantai and Huayen represent the first of the systematized schools that emerged shortly after this intense period of debate between conservative Madhyamikas and Reformed Yogacara, and none of them should be considered orthodoxly Madhyamaka.
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As for their existence today, these classical schools still exist in Japan. Todaiji in Nara remains a temple in the Kegon/Huayen tradition. However, the historical formulation of these schools, in China and Japan, did not take place in a sectarian way (the characteristic of Japanese and Tibetan Buddhism today), in which there are schools with a petrified and dogmatic doctrine that needs to be defended by a group of believers.

Sanlun, Tiantai, Huayen, Faxiang, etc. were more study groups and practice coordinators than necessarily dogmatic Buddhist sects. This crystallization will only begin to occur in Chinese Buddhism around the 8th and 9th centuries, when, for example, there is a clash between "internals" and "externals" within the Tiantai tradition in China (Saicho is from that time, studied under a "external" Tiantai teacher, and represents this Tiantai understanding).

This fraternal and open tendency continued to exist in Japan among the oldest temples and still remains a characteristic of Chinese Buddhism. If you ask a Chinese Buddhist which school he belongs to, he will not understand the question, as that is not the heart of Buddhism. The disputes that have existed are related to these attempts to petrify doctrines, disregarding the entire Buddhist corpus.

When Faxiang, for example, crystallized the notion that there are five qualities of beings and five qualities of fruits related to each one, Tiantai said "wait a minute, look, you are saying something from a limited vision, there is this text and this explanation that demonstrates that this is wrong and that it represents only an upaya". But this did not mean abandoning all the formulation and work of other previous, contemporary and later masters.
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Aemilius wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:01 pm Lankavatara sutra section Sagathakam (Verses), verse 13, says: "By wrong discrimination the Vijñana-system rises; severally as eightfold, as ninefold, like waves on the great ocean."
The Samdhinirmocana sutra Chapter 10., The Questions of Mañjushri, speaks a lot about the manifestation of impure and pure realms. "Well-established transformation of the basis", asrayaparavritti-samudgama, would certainly be equal to amala-vijñana. Thus the idea and teaching of pure and impure manifestation exists already in the Lankavatara and Samdhinirmocana Mahayana sutras.
The Lankavatara Sutra is a text that appears between the 3rd and 4th centuries, and it expresses a vision called "Tathagatagarbha" which is the literary expression of demonstration of Madhyamaka's problems.

The Samdhinirmocana Sutra is also a text that appears at this time, and becomes known primarily through the commentaries of Asanga (the first proponent of the madhyamaka reformulation we call yogacara).

These two texts appear in the context of Yogacara development.

Basically, the Sutras that existed Nagarjuna tells us were the Agamas, the Prajnaparamita and some loose texts like the Lotus Sutra. We know this because they are mentioned by Nagarjuna (mainly the Agamas).

Over time, other Sutras appear that expound doctrines from the Madhyamaka point of view, and some texts that try to demonstrate the problems related to this philosophy. These texts are what form the Tathagatagarbha corpus, such as the Lankavatara and Nirvana Sutras.

After this period, the Yogacara movement appears, which solves the problems derived from Madhyamaka, and then some texts begin to appear that present the ideas of Asanga, Maitreya, and others.

It is good for people to understand that the Indian Yogacara movement is not an antagonistic position to the Madhyamaka, on the contrary, they are still all defenders of Nagarjuna's insights. However, they represent an attempt to correct philosophical and especially religious problems that arise from a strictly madhyamaka position.

Example:
Madhyamaka teaches that absolute truth cannot be expressed in words.
Whether the Sutras are expressions that use words.
So the Sutras are not absolute truth.
If they are not absolute truth, then they are not valid as a principle or method of emancipation.

How can we continue to support this Madhyamaka position and at the same time hold the Lotus Sutra as absolute truth?

The reason why Vasubhandu stated that the Lotus Sutra is the main and greatest sutra is precisely due to the corrections and innovations that Maitreya and Asanga made with Mahayana thought.
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ronnymarsh wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:32 pm
I don't know what your point is, friend. The question is whether there is yogacara influence on Nichiren. The answer to that is, yes, because yogacara has been integrated into E. Asian Mahayana in general. If the question is whether Nichiren accepts the major arguments of yogacara, the answer is no, because universal buddha-nature is denied.

Again, Yogarcara per se did not influence Zhiyi except that in the later years he did respond to it. Later, it was integrated into Tiantai discourse and then later Tendai (and Nichiren) views. I did not assert that Tiantai was pure Madhyamaka. Its influence is there and I don't think its controversial to say that Tiantai is heavily based on Dazhidulun, a commentary on the Large Paramita Sutra attributed to Nagarjuna, and the Avatamsaka, as well as Lotus and Mahaparinirvana sutras.
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Vert wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 9:48 pm
Aemilius wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:22 am In 1970's Nichiren school sent their english literature to the European libraries, sometimes they were catalogued and made available for public. I read a couple of those books. At that time Nichiren school used the Nine consciousnesses version of yogachara, it was said to be the epitome of Yogachara and really important.
Could you tell me which school this books belonged to and their names
Queequeg wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 5:13 pm
ronnymarsh wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 3:15 pm
You really need to look at Makashikan. Nichiren follows Zhiyi et al. on this. No need to invoke Yogacara. The relationship between mind and reality is explained through ichinen sanzen. Nichiren would have been very familiar with the Tendai-Hosso debates and wouldn't fall into Yogacara view as haphazardly as you suggest.
Nicherin didn't need to "fall into Yogachara view" he considered Vāsudeva as one of his predecessors in spreading the Lotus, and he was the founder of Yogachara. His acceptance of the Yogachara theory of conscience means that he considered it valid.
Queequeg wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 1:54 pm
I don't think its particularly necessary to proclaim victory over Yogacara. There really are no Yogarcara schools presently in existence because the idealism doesn't hold up. That said, its not unedifying to study, IMHO.
That is an incredibly weird affirmation because there are. Both the Hossō and Huyan schools as well as Kegon and Jonang to a lesser extent, are Yogachara schools that exist to this day. If you research books about Yogachara, the Hossō head priest has recently written a few that are available in english. And the Chinese Huyan accepts the Yogachara view with a few modifications.
From Wikipedia on Vasudeva and Buddhism:

The eldest of the Andhakavenhudasaputta.

The Ghata Jataka (No. 454) relates how, when Vasudevas son died and Vasudeva gave himself up to despair, his brother Ghatapandita brought him to his senses by feigning madness.

Vasudevas minister was Rohineyya. Vasudeva is addressed (J.iv.84; he is called Kanha at J.vi.421) as Kanha and again as Kesava. The scholiast explains (J.iv.84) that he is called Kanha because he belonged to the Kanhayanagotta, and Kesava because he had beautiful hair (kesasobhanataya). These names, however, give support to the theory (see Andhakavenhudasaputta, No.1) that the story of Vasudeva was associated with the legend of Krsna.

In the Mahaummagga Jataka (J.vi.421) it is stated that Jambavati, mother of King Sivi, was the consort of Vasudeva Kanha. The scholiast identifies this Vasudeva with the eldest of the Andhakavenhudasaputta, and says that Jambavati was a candali. Vasudeva fell in love with her because of her great beauty and married her in spite of her caste. Their son was Sivi, who later succeeded to his fathers throne at Dvaravati.

Vasudeva is identified with Sariputta. J.iv.89.

Vasudevavattika. Probably followers of Vasudeva (? Krsna); they are mentioned with Baladevavattika and others in a list of samanabrahmanavattasuddhika. Nid.i.89; cf. Vasudevaytana at DhSA., p.141.

Nichiren considered himself in the lineage of Shakyamuni Buddha, Nan Yueh, Tientai, and Saicho. He also recognized and praised the 24 Successors of the Buddha in the Former/first half of the Middle Day of the Law:

(1) Mahākāshyapa, (2) Ānanda, (3) Shānavāsa, (4) Madhyāntika (contemporary of Shanavasa), (5) Upagupta, (6) Dhritaka, (7) Mikkaka, (8) Buddhananda, (9) Buddhamitra, (10) Pārshva, (11) Punyayashas, (12) Ashvaghosha, (13) Kapimala, (14) Nāgārjuna, (15) Āryadeva, (16) Rāhulabhadra (also Rāhulatā), (17) Samghanandi, (18) Samghayashas, (19) Kumārata, (20) Jayata, (21) Vasubandhu, (22) Manorhita, (23) Haklenayashas, and (23) Āryasimha...

Vert,can you supply a reference for Vasudeva as a successor to the Buddha or where Nichiren cited him as a successor?

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Queequeg wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 12:10 pm
Hosso and Kegon barely exists as living schools. No idea about Jonang. Its weird that people assert these are vital contemporary lineages.
While i don't disagree with you that Hossō is a long way from it's glory days, it still attracts people all over the world that are interested in studying Yogachara. For example:
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20 ... na/015000c

illarraza wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:24 pm
Vert,can you supply a reference for Vasudeva as a successor to the Buddha or where Nichiren cited him as a successor?
Sure, and sorry if i caused any confusions because I meant to say Vasubandhu and not Vāsudeva, the former is the founder of Yogachara, the latter is a Hindu God. Vasubandhu and his Yogachara works were know by both Zhiyi and Nicherin.
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ronnymarsh wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:53 pm
Aemilius wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:01 pm Lankavatara sutra section Sagathakam (Verses), verse 13, says: "By wrong discrimination the Vijñana-system rises; severally as eightfold, as ninefold, like waves on the great ocean."
The Samdhinirmocana sutra Chapter 10., The Questions of Mañjushri, speaks a lot about the manifestation of impure and pure realms. "Well-established transformation of the basis", asrayaparavritti-samudgama, would certainly be equal to amala-vijñana. Thus the idea and teaching of pure and impure manifestation exists already in the Lankavatara and Samdhinirmocana Mahayana sutras.
The Lankavatara Sutra is a text that appears between the 3rd and 4th centuries, and it expresses a vision called "Tathagatagarbha" which is the literary expression of demonstration of Madhyamaka's problems.

The Samdhinirmocana Sutra is also a text that appears at this time, and becomes known primarily through the commentaries of Asanga (the first proponent of the madhyamaka reformulation we call yogacara).

These two texts appear in the context of Yogacara development.

Basically, the Sutras that existed Nagarjuna tells us were the Agamas, the Prajnaparamita and some loose texts like the Lotus Sutra. We know this because they are mentioned by Nagarjuna (mainly the Agamas).

Over time, other Sutras appear that expound doctrines from the Madhyamaka point of view, and some texts that try to demonstrate the problems related to this philosophy. These texts are what form the Tathagatagarbha corpus, such as the Lankavatara and Nirvana Sutras.

After this period, the Yogacara movement appears, which solves the problems derived from Madhyamaka, and then some texts begin to appear that present the ideas of Asanga, Maitreya, and others.

It is good for people to understand that the Indian Yogacara movement is not an antagonistic position to the Madhyamaka, on the contrary, they are still all defenders of Nagarjuna's insights. However, they represent an attempt to correct philosophical and especially religious problems that arise from a strictly madhyamaka position.

Example:
Madhyamaka teaches that absolute truth cannot be expressed in words.
Whether the Sutras are expressions that use words.
So the Sutras are not absolute truth.
If they are not absolute truth, then they are not valid as a principle or method of emancipation.

How can we continue to support this Madhyamaka position and at the same time hold the Lotus Sutra as absolute truth?

The reason why Vasubhandu stated that the Lotus Sutra is the main and greatest sutra is precisely due to the corrections and innovations that Maitreya and Asanga made with Mahayana thought.
Thanks! I have read the english translation of Vasubandhu's commentary on the Lotus Sutra, when it was available in the Scribd, but it is not there any more. I didn't read all of this book. I don't remember Vasubandhu saying something like that about the Lotus. Ofcourse it is possible that it is there. Vasubandhu wrote commentaries on several Mahayana sutras, for example his commentary on the Diamond sutra survives. And he apparently valued the Large Prajnaparamita sutra very highly.

I think that Yogachara existed before the time of Vasubandhu and even before the time of Nagarjuna. Vasubandhu quotes sometimes in the AKB the opinions of "ancient masters", and according to the Commentary on the AKB this refers to the Yogacharins!

Vasubandhu certainly didn't have the view that Yogachara school had very recently sprung up, he regarded it as the school of ancient masters. And really he regarded Yogachara as a teaching of Buddha Shakyamuni.

How do You reconcile these different views? How did history look like and how did history exist in ancient India and China? Why did they see and experience it so differently? Compared with us.

Similarly in Nagarjuna's Sutra Samuccaya, which I think is an authentic work of Nagarjuna, Nagarjuna quotes passages from the Lankavatara sutra.
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ronnymarsh wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:53 pm Example:
Madhyamaka teaches that absolute truth cannot be expressed in words.
Whether the Sutras are expressions that use words.
So the Sutras are not absolute truth.
If they are not absolute truth, then they are not valid as a principle or method of emancipation.
Well, actually...

“O Śāriputra! To put it briefly, the buddhas have attained this immeasurable, limitless, and unprecedented Dharma. Enough, O Śāriputra, I will speak no further. Why is this? Because the Dharma that the buddhas have attained is foremost, unique, and difficult to understand. No one but the buddhas can completely know the real aspects of all dharmas—that is to say their character, nature, substance, potential, function, cause, condition, result, effect, and essential unity..."

It is impossible to explain this Dharma;
The powers of speech fail.
-Lotus Sutra, Chapter 2

The Sutra goes on to explain that the buddhas employ upaya to lead beings to relinquish attachments and enter the path to buddhahood, but the message is clear throughout the sutra that the fundamental meaning cannot be expressed in words and can only be known directly.
How can we continue to support this Madhyamaka position and at the same time hold the Lotus Sutra as absolute truth?
Because the Lotus Sutra is not limited to the text. The actual teaching of the Lotus Sutra is the knowledge of the buddhas. The Lotus makes it clear that the path to bodhi the buddhas teach is contrived, like a father who lures children out of a burning house with a promise of toys (that don't actually exist when the promise is made), like a rich father who puts on rags to work beside his poor son cleaning latrines, like a guide who conjures a ghost city where travelers can rest, like a father who tells his children he is dead to shock them into taking the medicine he prepared. The buddha teaches us how to relinquish our attachments to false views so that we can have a moment of clarity, have a glimpse of the buddha's wisdom and arouse yearning to attain it - which yearning is the only entry to bodhi. The Lotus, like Madhyamaka analysis, ultimately undermines itself, leaving behind only what is real. The Buddha teaches whatever beings need to grow - like water that falls on small plants, middling and great trees. He is pointing out to us the jewel that has been in our possession all along - the jewel that has been called Buddhanature.

The way you describe Madhyamaka it sounds like nihilism. Its not. Maybe some people take the negative analysis as nihilism, but then their mind is not subtle enough to realize that Madhyamaka is a process of removing the unreal to reveal the real. Similarly, the Lotus exposes the Three Vehicles as contrivances, revealing the Single Vehicle - bodhi wisdom itself.
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Aemilius wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:02 am I have read the english translation of Vasubandhu's commentary on the Lotus Sutra, when it was available in the Scribd, but it is not there any more.
Download a pdf here:

https://www.bdkamerica.org/product/tiantai-lotus-texts/
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Thanks for bringing that to my knowledge. The translation that I have seen/read before is:

Vasubandhu's Commentary to the "Saddharmapundarika-Sutra": A Study of its History and Significance
Terry Rae Abbott
Dissertation, University of California, Berkeley (1985)
"This dissertation on Vasubandhu's commentary to the Lotus Sutra is comprised of three parts: Part I contains a survey of its history and significance; Part II covers various philological issues regarding it; Part III is an annotated English translation of its Chinese version."
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Aemilius wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:57 pm Thanks for bringing that to my knowledge. The translation that I have seen/read before is:

Vasubandhu's Commentary to the "Saddharmapundarika-Sutra": A Study of its History and Significance
Terry Rae Abbott
Dissertation, University of California, Berkeley (1985)
"This dissertation on Vasubandhu's commentary to the Lotus Sutra is comprised of three parts: Part I contains a survey of its history and significance; Part II covers various philological issues regarding it; Part III is an annotated English translation of its Chinese version."
That's Terry Abbott's translation. Probably without most of the footnotes in the dissertation.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
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List of sutras quoted by Nagarjuna in his Sutra Samuccaya (and number of times quoted):

(1) Saddharmapundarika 4
(2) Nirnayarajasutra 1
(3) Avadana 1
(4) Bodhisattvapitaka 8
(5) Bhagavajjnanavaipulyasutra 2
(6) Candragarbhaparivarta 6
(7) Gandavyuhasutra 6
(8) Bhadrakalpikasutra 2
(9) Samyuktagama 3
(10) Ekottarikagama 1
(11) Tathagataguhyasutra 5
(12) Vimatisamudghdtasutra 1
(13) Sraddhabaladhanasutra 5
(14) Sagaranagarajapariprccha 2
(15) Tathagataguna-jnanacintya-visayavatara-nirdesa sutra 2
(16) Simhasutejo'vadana 1
(17) Prasenajitpariprccha 2
(18) Prasantaviniscayapratiharyasutra 3
(19) Ajatasatruparivarta 5
(20) Ratnarasisutra 6
(21) Kasyapaparivarta 2
(22) Pitaputrasamagamanasutra 3
(23) Dharmasangitisutra 2
(24) Aksayamatinirdesasutra 2
(25) Upayakausalyasutra 1
(26) Prajnaparamita 10
(27) Viradattagrihapatipariprccha 3
(28) Ratnameghasutra 4
(29) Dharanisvararajapariprccha 2
30) Maitreyasimhanadasutra 2
(31) Manjusrivikriditasutra 1
(32) Candrapradipa( = Samddhiraja,
Candraprabhaparivarta) sutra 5
(33) Niyataniyatavataramudrasutra 2
(34) Mañjusri-vikurvana-parivarta 3
(35) Sagaramatiparipricchasutra 4
(36) Ugraparipricchasutra 1
(37) Pravrajyantarayasutra 1
(38) Udayanavatsarajapariprccha 1
(39) Saddharmasmrtyupasthanasutra 2
(40) Arthaviniscayasutra 1
(41) Vimalakirtinirdesa 7
(42) Satyakaparivarta 2
(43) Vicikitsasudhvamsasutra [perhaps identical
with (12)] 1
(44) Suryagarbhaparivarta 1
(45) Akasagarbhaparivarta 1
(46) Kshitigarbhasutra 3
(47) Adhyasayasamcodanasutra 3
(48) Brahmaparipriccha 5
(49) Anavataptasutra 1
(50) Puspakutasutra 1
(51) Mahakaruna(pundarika)sutra 2
(52) Tathagatabimbaparivarta 1
(53) Anupurvasamudgatasutra 1
(54) Tathagatotpattisambhavasutra 1
(55) Lokottaraparivarta 1
(56) Lankavatarasutra 4
(57) Mahasamnipataparivarta 1
(58) Avaivartacakrasutra 1
(59) Srimalasimhanadasutra 2
(60) Bhadramayakarasutra 1
(61) Buddhavatamsakasutra 3
(62) Brahmaviseshacintipariprccha 1
(63) Saptasatika(prajnaparamita) 2
(64) Ratnasamnicayanirdesasutra 3
(65) Trisatika(prajnaparamita) 2
(66) Ratnadattamanavasutra 1
(67) Tathagatakosasutra 1
(68) Maradamanaparivarta 2
(69) Dasabhumikasutra (ace. to the Chinese,
identical with Buddhadvatamsaka.) 1

"P.L. Vaidya refers to the quotations in the SS12 thus: ". . . Na-
garjuna wrote a Sutrasamuccaya . . . containing extracts from
about 60 sutras." Vaidya evidently took his information from
A. C. Banerjee's article in the Indian Historical Quarterly, March
1941.1S The Chinese text of the SS is a bit shorter than the
Tibetan version, in which are found several citations wanting in
the Chinese. Contrary to what Vaidya claimed, the Tibetan text
quotes from 69 scriptures, or even 71, if one separates out
three of them, the Astasahasrika, the Astadasasahasrika, and the
Pancavimsatisahasrika, from the "Prajnaparamita" given in the
text. The sum total of quotations from these 71 scriptures is
174, some of them being no longer than two or three short
sentences, others, especially in the 5th section, being fairly long."

from Prolegomena to an English
Translation of the Sutrasamuccaya

by Bhikkhu Pasadika
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ronnymarsh wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:32 pm
Queequeg wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:52 pm .
Let me see if I become clearer.
There is no school in the Chinese Buddhist tradition that is really madhyamaka. Even the Sanlun school, which is said to be its Chinese representative, is not purely madhyamaka.

Tiantai and Huayen are schools that depart from the Madhyamaka nomenclature, but they are not madhyamikas.

Orthodox Madhyamaka does not allow any claims to be made in terms of absolute truth, not even sensitive Buddhist topics such as the Four Noble Truths can be presented as absolute Truths.

However, both Tiantai and Huayen are schools that produce statements. Zhiyi developed a sophisticated scheme that asserts a "nature" of reality, Ichinen Sanzen, just as Huayen developed a similar idea using another nomenclature.

Both traditions rely heavily on texts that are not exponents of the Madhyamaka view. In Tiantai's classification, the Sutra that occupies the apex of the teaching is the Lotus Sutra, accompanied by the Nirvana Sutra. And second is the Avatamsaka Sutra.

Sutra, Nirvana and Avatamsaka Sutras are texts that do not belong to the immediate category of Madhyamaka's primary sources, but rather to the Tathagatagarbha movement, which are the sources that served for the development of Yogacara thought.

Yogacara is not an absolute antithesis to Madhyamaka, but a movement that sought a solution to several problems in the approach of the madhyamikas, problems that naturally end up refuting Buddhism.

The original madhyamaka notion presupposes only two levels of truths: the conventional, or apparent, truth, which is that of existence, and the absolute truth, which is Shunyata, Empytness. However, this statement is illogical, because if everything is without qualities, shunyata, there would be no way to distinguish objects and there would be the process that we call knowledge.

Asanga's job was to try to find a valid answer to understand how Emptyness and Existence can be simultaneous truths, as presented in Madhyamaka. The method for this was based on the meditative practice itself, observing the mind and reality as it is. That's why the school is called Yogacara (Practice of Discipline).

Yogacara is a better developed version of Madhyamaka, and from it several important and crucial elements of Buddhism developed, for example: Eight (or Nine) Consciousnesses, Suchness, understanding of Tathagatagarbha as a positive expression of Shunya, Three Bodies of Buddha, etc. .

No Buddhist school of Chinese origin, not even Sanron, presents their positions without using these concepts developed by the Yogacaras. Sanron's most important text, for example, is not one of the Three Treatises (which gives the school its name), but the Daichidiron, which is possibly an apocryphal of Kumarajiva, and which presents a system that merged the same Madhyamakas and Yogacara conceptions.

It was the Yogacara conception that saved Buddhist discourse and the possibility of presenting and elaborating doctrines, and all Chinese (and most Tibetan) schools are extremely dependent on it. In the orthodox Tiantai lineage of Shakyamuni Buddha, both Nagarjuna and Asanga, as well as Vasubhandu, appear.

The only school that expounds a purely madhymaka position in Mahayana Buddhism today is the Gelugpa, and because it is the school of H.H. Dalai Lama, many Buddhists end up forcing themselves to adapt their school to a strict view of madhyamaka, forcing a supposed general Buddhist "orthodoxy".

In summary, the formulation of Mahayana Buddhism in philosophical terms occurs first in the refutation of the Sarvastivadas propositions (everything exists) by Nagarjuna, which ends up giving rise to the Madhymaka, and later in the rectification of a series of new problems that the madhyamika "argumentation" generates, giving rise to Yogacara, which culminates in the formulation of the general Mahayana thought that is the basis of Sino-Japanese Buddhism.

Sanlun, Tiantai and Huayen represent the first of the systematized schools that emerged shortly after this intense period of debate between conservative Madhyamikas and Reformed Yogacara, and none of them should be considered orthodoxly Madhyamaka.
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As for their existence today, these classical schools still exist in Japan. Todaiji in Nara remains a temple in the Kegon/Huayen tradition. However, the historical formulation of these schools, in China and Japan, did not take place in a sectarian way (the characteristic of Japanese and Tibetan Buddhism today), in which there are schools with a petrified and dogmatic doctrine that needs to be defended by a group of believers.

Sanlun, Tiantai, Huayen, Faxiang, etc. were more study groups and practice coordinators than necessarily dogmatic Buddhist sects. This crystallization will only begin to occur in Chinese Buddhism around the 8th and 9th centuries, when, for example, there is a clash between "internals" and "externals" within the Tiantai tradition in China (Saicho is from that time, studied under a "external" Tiantai teacher, and represents this Tiantai understanding).

This fraternal and open tendency continued to exist in Japan among the oldest temples and still remains a characteristic of Chinese Buddhism. If you ask a Chinese Buddhist which school he belongs to, he will not understand the question, as that is not the heart of Buddhism. The disputes that have existed are related to these attempts to petrify doctrines, disregarding the entire Buddhist corpus.

When Faxiang, for example, crystallized the notion that there are five qualities of beings and five qualities of fruits related to each one, Tiantai said "wait a minute, look, you are saying something from a limited vision, there is this text and this explanation that demonstrates that this is wrong and that it represents only an upaya". But this did not mean abandoning all the formulation and work of other previous, contemporary and later masters.
Thanks for the explanation of the history of these Buddhist teachings. The Buddhist Unconscious by Waldron is a great book on the Alaya consciousness and the Yogacara. A Summary of the Great Vehicle by Asanga Translated from the Chinese of Paramårtha and into english by Keenan is major source of the Alaya-consciousness explicated by Paramatha.

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Vert wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:02 pm
Queequeg wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 12:10 pm
Hosso and Kegon barely exists as living schools. No idea about Jonang. Its weird that people assert these are vital contemporary lineages.
While i don't disagree with you that Hossō is a long way from it's glory days, it still attracts people all over the world that are interested in studying Yogachara. For example:
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20 ... na/015000c

illarraza wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:24 pm
Vert,can you supply a reference for Vasudeva as a successor to the Buddha or where Nichiren cited him as a successor?
Sure, and sorry if i caused any confusions because I meant to say Vasubandhu and not Vāsudeva, the former is the founder of Yogachara, the latter is a Hindu God. Vasubandhu and his Yogachara works were know by both Zhiyi and Nicherin.
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Vasubandhu also influenced Zhiyi:
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Thanks

Mark

I would add that in Nichiren's later writings, it is not so much one's mind that perceives reality correctly and offers protection but the mind of Shakyamuni Buddha of the Original Doctrine which enters one's mind. This does not obviate Ichinen Sanzen because of the Three Realms, Gohonzon being the life and land of the Eternal Buddha, cause and condition.

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ronnymarsh wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 3:15 pm
illarraza wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:19 am In Nichiren's early writings he had a more Yogacharin viewpoint:

"It [the Vimalakirti Sutra] also states that, if the minds of living beings are impure, their land is also impure, but if their minds are pure, so is their land. There are not two lands, pure or impure in themselves. The difference lies solely in the good or evil of our minds."

Please contrast this with passages from some later writings of Nichiren in which he rejects the Yogacara [Consciousness Only] view which is based on the Flower Garland, Mahavairochana and other provisional sutras:

"The path to Buddhahood is not to be found in the Flower Garland doctrine of the phenomenal world as created by the mind alone, in the eight negations of the Three Treatises school, in the Consciousness-Only doctrine of the Dharma Characteristics school, or in the True Word type of meditation on the five elements of the universe. Only the T’ien-t’ai doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of life is the path to Buddhahood."

and

"The essence of the sutras preached before the Lotus Sutra is that all phenomena arise from the mind. To illustrate, they say that the mind is like the great earth, while the grasses and trees are like all phenomena. But it is not so with the Lotus Sutra. It teaches that the mind itself is the great earth, and that the great earth itself is the grasses and trees. The meaning of the earlier sutras is that clarity of mind is like the moon, and that purity of mind is like a flower. But it is not so with the Lotus Sutra. It is the teaching that the moon itself is mind, and the flower itself is mind. You should realize from this that polished rice is not polished rice; it is life itself."
These writings that you quoted from Nichiren at the beginning of the text are not contradictory, and they represent the same teaching, and in essence represent a yogacara/cittamatra understanding.

You see, what Nichiren is doing is a denial of the "emergence" of dharmas. He states that according to the previous sutras dharmas ARISE from the mind, that is, mind and dharmas are two different things. But for the Lotus Sutra, according to Nichiren's interpretation, there is no distinction between mind and dharmas. The "dharmas" are mind and the mind is "dharmas". There is no distinction.

This statement, when compared with what the sutras literally says, is absolutely not true. There are Sutras from periods before the Lotus Sutra that make analogous statements. An example of this is the Heart Sutra:

"the form is the shunya, the shunya is the form (...)"

Possibly what Nichiren means by earlier Sutras should be specifically about the Agamas, as this statement that dharmas arise from the mind is very similar to what is said, for example, in the Dhammapada:

"dhammas are mind-produced, mind-driven, mind-made"

This idea that dharmas arise from the mind is not a Yogacara/Cittamatra position. The real notion of this school is that everything (the dharmas) is just (matra) mental process (citta). There is no arising or fabrication, there is no causal relationship between mind and dharma, as many misunderstand. In yogacara thought dharmas and mind are two names for the same reality, "dharmas" are mind and mind is "dharmas". And that is Nichiren's understanding and Nichiren's interpretation of the Lotus Sutra.

Now, it is necessary to understand what the implication of this statement is in the original yogacarin context.
The claim that dharma is mind is not a metaphysical claim, which attempts to demonstrate an eternal substance similar to an atman, as many people (especially yogacara critics) do. This statement serves to understand the essential problem of suffering.

Suffering is a reality found in dharmas. As these are just mental processes and not external realities created by something, the solution to this problem lies in the dharmas themselves, in the mind itself. And this is the key thought for the soteriological aspect of Nichiren Buddhism.

So when we understand that Yogacara thinking is that all dharmas ARE mind (mental processes) only, and we read Nichiren, there is no denying that his essential philosophical basis is more Yogacara than Madhyamaka. Nichiren almost never speaks of Shunyata, which is the central thought of Madhyamaka philosophy, and his thought always tends towards an absolute monism around the mind, which is characteristic of Yogacara thought.
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Bhagavan Shakyamuni says in the Rohitassa sutta:
"Yet it is just within this fathom-long body, with its perception & intellect, that I declare that there is the cosmos, the origination of the cosmos, the cessation of the cosmos, and the path of practice leading to the cessation of the cosmos.”

To Rohitassa, Rohitassa Sutta (AN 4:45), transl. Thanissaro Bhikkhu
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN4_45.html
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Aemilius wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:06 am Bhagavan Shakyamuni says in the Rohitassa sutta:
"Yet it is just within this fathom-long body, with its perception & intellect, that I declare that there is the cosmos, the origination of the cosmos, the cessation of the cosmos, and the path of practice leading to the cessation of the cosmos.”

To Rohitassa, Rohitassa Sutta (AN 4:45), transl. Thanissaro Bhikkhu
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN4_45.html
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illarraza wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 7:19 am
"The path to Buddhahood is not to be found in the Flower Garland doctrine of the phenomenal world as created by the mind alone, in the eight negations of the Three Treatises school, in the Consciousness-Only doctrine of the Dharma Characteristics school, or in the True Word type of meditation on the five elements of the universe. Only the T’ien-t’ai doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of life is the path to Buddhahood."
I would just like to point out here that the Three Treatises school Nichiren refers to and rejects is how the Madhyamaka school was called in China and Japan. This quote shows that Nicherin had the view that the Tendai school and the Ekayāna teaching transcend/was above both Yogachara and Madhyamaka, meaning that he probably saw the teachings of this both schools as provisory but the Tendai equivalent and expansion of this teachings to be the true interpretation of such doctrines.

Which leads me to the conclusion that Nicherin position was that it didn't matter if the teachings matched Madhyamaka or Yogachara as long as they were part of normative Tendai/Tiandai doctrine. The patriarchs of the other schools mentioned positively by Nicherin, such as Nagarjuna and Vasubandhu, then were seen by him as having propagated such teachings/schools as provisories ones while holding true to the Lotus Sutra in their heart.
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illarraza wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:33 am
Aemilius wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:06 am Bhagavan Shakyamuni says in the Rohitassa sutta:
"Yet it is just within this fathom-long body, with its perception & intellect, that I declare that there is the cosmos, the origination of the cosmos, the cessation of the cosmos, and the path of practice leading to the cessation of the cosmos.”

To Rohitassa, Rohitassa Sutta (AN 4:45), transl. Thanissaro Bhikkhu
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN4_45.html
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That Shakyamuni taught the view of Chittamatra/Yogachara.
If you believe that Shakyamuni taught the Mahayana sutras, you will not have such probems, naturally.

See also the Loka sutta: "Near Sāvatthī. There the Blessed One addressed the monks: 'I will teach you the origination of the world & the ending of the world. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak.' " https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_44.html
The World, Loka Sutta (SN 12:44)
The first two links of Dependent origination (1. ignorance/avidya and 2. volitions/samskara) correspond to the Alaya-consciousness.
The fourth link, Name and Form (nama-rupa), corresponds to Parikalpita(svabhava) and Paratantra(svabhava) or Imaginary nature and Dependent nature.
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Aemilius wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:39 am
illarraza wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:33 am
Aemilius wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:06 am Bhagavan Shakyamuni says in the Rohitassa sutta:
"Yet it is just within this fathom-long body, with its perception & intellect, that I declare that there is the cosmos, the origination of the cosmos, the cessation of the cosmos, and the path of practice leading to the cessation of the cosmos.”

To Rohitassa, Rohitassa Sutta (AN 4:45), transl. Thanissaro Bhikkhu
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN4_45.html
Hello Aemelius. Point being?

Mark
That Shakyamuni taught the view of Chittamatra/Yogachara.
If you believe that Shakyamuni taught the Mahayana sutras, you will not have such probems, naturally.

See also the Loka sutta: "Near Sāvatthī. There the Blessed One addressed the monks: 'I will teach you the origination of the world & the ending of the world. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak.' " https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_44.html
The World, Loka Sutta (SN 12:44)
The first two links of Dependent origination (1. ignorance/avidya and 2. volitions/samskara) correspond to the Alaya-consciousness.
The fourth link, Name and Form (nama-rupa), corresponds to Parikalpita(svabhava) and Paratantra(svabhava) or Imaginary nature and Dependent nature.
I also believe he preached the Theravada.

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I'm sure he didn't preach "Theravada". Theravada is result of a long and complex development of the Buddhist Sangha and its relation to the Indian society and to other religions and to the Indian and South-east Asian political scene.
The word "theravada" is a later addition. Vasubandhu never uses it, perhaps he didnt even know it. Or may be the Indian Sanghas never accepted such a preposterous claim. Vasubandhu knows them by the name of Srilankan monks.


"Noted Canadian Buddhist scholar A.K. Warder (University of Toronto) identifies the following eighteen early Buddhist schools (in approximate chronological order): Sthaviravada, Mahasamghika, Vatsiputriya, Ekavyavaharika, Gokulika (a.k.a. Kukkutika, etc.), Sarvastivada, Lokottaravāda, Dharmottariya, Bhadrayaniya, Sammitiya, Sannagarika, Bahusrutiya, Prajnaptivada, Mahisasaka, Haimavata (a.k.a. Kasyapiya), Dharmaguptaka, Caitika, and the Apara and Uttara (Purva) Saila. Warder says that these were the early buddhist schools as of circa 50 BCE, about the same time that the Pali Canon was first committed to writing and the presumptive origin date of the Theravada sect, though the term 'Theravada' was not used before the fourth century CE."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Buddhist_schools
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Building upon my last post there is more information confirming the believe that Nicherin considered Tiendai philosophy separated from either Madhyamaka and Yogachara thoughts and it is the fact that Zhyli himself saw it this way as well, based on the book "T'Ien-T'Ai Buddhism and Early Madhyamika"

The book that explores it:
https://www.amazon.com.br/TIen-TAi-Budd ... 0824815602

And a review of it, that summarizes the points of the book as following:
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/397376
This extensively researched volume, which is a revised version of the author's Ph.D. dissertation, is an exploration ofthe writings of Zhi Yi (Chih-i) and Nägärjuna, two prominent Buddhist philosophers. Nägärjuna (ca. 150-250) is widely considered to be the founder of the Indian Mädhyamika school, while Zhi Yi (538-597) although not a member of the Mädhyamika school, studied and commented on the school extensively. The author is particularly interested in determining why certain elements of Nägärjuna's thought were unsatisfactory to Zhi Yi. Through careful analysis of numerous original texts and secondary sources, Ng concludes that Zhi Yi's ultimate interest was in highlighting those dimensions of Buddhist thought that evince a clear, compassionate, soteriological concern. Ng argues convincingly that Zhi Yi believed Mädhyamika doctrine, as presented by Nägärjuna, to be in need of expansion and refinement in order to better accomplish the end of "saving" sentient beings. Although it becomes clear rather early in the text that the author holds a definite preference for Zhi Yi's position , he is also careful to present Nägärjuna's thought in its best light.

This includes an exploration of Zhi Yi's "classification of the Buddhist doctrines" (panjiao), a fourfold subdivision that includes the Tripitaka Doctrine (cangjiao), the Common Doctrine (tongjiao), the Gradual Doctrine (bie jiao), and the Perfect Doctrine (yuanjiao). Mädhyamika, according to Zhi Yi, marily deals with the Common Doctrine, which advances the notion that "one should realize Emptiness in the nature of dharmas, without destroying anything whatsoever" (p. 41), which stands in sharp contrast with the Tripitaka Doctrine. However, Zhi Yi shows a distinct preference for the Perfect Doctrine, for which he considers the Lotus Sutra (Fa huajing) to be the exemplary text. According to the Perfect Doctrine, "one should realize the Middle Way instantaneously" (p. 41), whereas the Gradual Doctrine believes the Middle Way to be accessible only tiirough patience and persistence. Chapter 4, "Middle Way-Buddha Nature as the Truth," highlights the manner in which Zhi Yi finds the Common Doctrine lacking soteriological efficacy: "the Truth expounded in the Mädhyamika and die Common Doctrine, whether it be termed 'Emptiness' or 'Middle Way,' tends to be negative, static, and transcendent . . . . [Zhi Yi] thinks Truth should be permanent, dynamic, and all-embracing " (p. 62). This is made clear through a discussion ofZhi Yi's preference for the Threefold Truth (as opposed to the Twofold Truth ofNägärjuna) and his marked interest in expedience/skillful means (fang Man)

As such Tiendai would represent the ultimate Buddhist philosophy, above both doctrines in the view of it's followers and as such it didn't mattered if it agreed with parts of Yogachara or Madhyamaka doctrines as Tiandai is the Perfect way, which demonstrates the whole Buddhist dharma as it truly is and united as a whole.
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