I am not saying anything against the fifth Dalai Lama's attainments. Due to political reasons the Jonang were labeled as heretics. Their books were banned, monastics were forced to convert to Gelug monasteries as well. This also happened to the Karma Kagyu I believe, although my knowledge is very limited to this so others would know much more than me. The Jonang continued to be labeled as heretics until recently due to the mixture of politics and sectarian issues. The stupa holding Taranathas ashes was also destroyed by the Gelug, showing disrespect for this great teacher. Still not a topic I would be knowledgeable to debate on, but I was trying to provide an example of sectarianism in Vajrayana as well since the original post said it seemed to be lacking. I did not mean it to be any harm to the fifth Dalai Lama since the teachings and stories I have heard about him were great, but this part of history did happen.Kai lord wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:44 pmFifth Dalai Lama was a high level bodhisattva (Some even ranked him as the best Dalai Lama) and he knew what he was doing, hence till today most regarded his actions as mere play of samsara and does not dwell on them.Nicholas2727 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:31 pm in Tibet there were serious problems during the fifth Dalai Lama with the Jonang and Karma Kagyu. In Japan different schools have had sectarian periods, etc. Its all part of samsara.
Errrr, you do know about the history between Nichiren and Tendai, don't you? Nevertheless its not a good non sectarianism example to use.Beside all that, I think looking at Tiantai or Tendai could be interesting since Zhiyi's goal was to unify all the incoming teachings to China.
I know very little about Tendai as well, but my main argument was that Zhiyi was trying to take the many teachings coming into China at the time and make sense of them all. The Ekayana teachings strongly focused on in Tiantai seem to go against strong sectarianism so I was pointing at this. Like all schools I am sure they have had their problems as well.