Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:45 am
That still doesn’t track for me with someone who feels they are a different gender from day to day. I’m a little skeptical about the existing evidence for -that- as being a biological reality, I’d have to look deeper into that, if you know of science to look at. I do recognize of course it’s something people do, and should be able to do of course.
However, I think with something like that (changing genders regularly) we hit a kind of hard limit of cultural practicality where a lot of people simply won’t “get” the practice of cycling different names or pronouns. I realize there are some historical analogs of course.
Anyway we’ve clarified some stuff here and I am interested in just reading more science, if you have some lay-approachable sources Kathy.
It appears you didn't read my earlier post that addressed this exact point:
KathyLauren wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:48 pm
I don't fully understand gender-fluid or other non-binary states myself. What I do understand, from talking to gender-fluid people, is that their gender identity does not change: they are gender-fluid. That is their gender identity, and it is constant. What changes day to day is their gender expression, and in some cases their gender role.
The biology does not change from day to day. There are a number of ways in which the biology could code for "non-binary", which could manifest as a changeable presentation.
A person of medium stature might, some days, feel tall and, on other days, feel short. It might depend on any number of factors, such as the environment, or the people they are with. Yet tallness and shortness and the spectrum in between are biological realities. The same goes for gender identity.
As for cultural practicality, people can learn. You would think that the extreme limit of cultural practicality might be the military. Yet the bigender person I mentioned on that previous post is a serving member of the military. On days when they wish to present as female, they wear the proper female uniform, and on days when they wish to present male, they wear the proper male uniform. They are addressed as "ma'am" or "sir", depending on their presentation. If the military can adapt, so can the general public. It is not like any of this is new.
I will see if I can find a few links to the science. I don't know how lay-accessible it will be, since it is mostly current research, but I'll do what I can. It won't be until later in the day, though.
Om mani padme hum
Kathy