Someone go tell DJKR

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Someone go tell DJKR

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It is not really as simple as just saying one does not endorse certain views etc., if you share it you kinda wear it. I don't really get his edgy internet persona. I met him on the Boudhanath stupa and his presence gave me goosebumps even without the groupies and yuppies around him. But I don't really get his social media activity.
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Toenail wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:19 pm It is not really as simple as just saying one does not endorse certain views etc., if you share it you kinda wear it. I don't really get his edgy internet persona. I met him on the Boudhanath stupa and his presence gave me goosebumps even without the groupies and yuppies around him. But I don't really get his social media activity.
I feel like there's a particular context here that is missing. Maybe if you shared what you're referring to, it'd be easier to understand where you're coming from.
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Norwegian wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:28 pm
Toenail wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:19 pm It is not really as simple as just saying one does not endorse certain views etc., if you share it you kinda wear it. I don't really get his edgy internet persona. I met him on the Boudhanath stupa and his presence gave me goosebumps even without the groupies and yuppies around him. But I don't really get his social media activity.
I feel like there's a particular context here that is missing. Maybe if you shared what you're referring to, it'd be easier to understand where you're coming from.
The context is that DJKR thinks the US is bombing the Ukraine.

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Toenail wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:19 pm It is not really as simple as just saying one does not endorse certain views etc., if you share it you kinda wear it. I don't really get his edgy internet persona.
It is pretty simple: he is a reactionary who neither understands nor supports liberal democracy.
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Malcolm wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:30 pm
Norwegian wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:28 pm
Toenail wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:19 pm It is not really as simple as just saying one does not endorse certain views etc., if you share it you kinda wear it. I don't really get his edgy internet persona. I met him on the Boudhanath stupa and his presence gave me goosebumps even without the groupies and yuppies around him. But I don't really get his social media activity.
I feel like there's a particular context here that is missing. Maybe if you shared what you're referring to, it'd be easier to understand where you're coming from.
The context is that DJKR thinks the US is bombing the Ukraine.

What an incredibly dumb take by Dzongsar Khyentse...
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Norwegian wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:39 pm
What an incredibly dumb take by Dzongsar Khyentse...
DJKR stays on facebook where he is lauded by sycophants, no matter what he says.

I don't think he could take on the twitter mean girls. For them, he would just be a light snack.
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I sense some folks are not fans of DJKR here.
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Bhumi108w wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:15 am I sense some folks are not fans of DJKR here.

I’m not very much, TBH (although that could possibly change if I ever met him). Yet not because he seems to like to ruffle some PC-westerners feathers at times….
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I was a fan, but am also feeling the same perplexity. The way he continues the whataboutism and proliferates arguments based on gross generalizations and false narratives. I guess we always learn the hard way that our teachers aren’t perfect.
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His next best-seller will be “The Guru Spreads Disinformation from China and Russia on the Internet.”
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A lot of the Facebook comments (replies) to his post do not agree with him.

He grew up with a lot of anger and resentment towards British imperialism in India. He still speaks unfavorably about anything British, and is very critical of Buddhism filtered through a western context. For example, he wrote along article regarding the scandal surrounding Sogyal Rinpoche, and while neither condemning nor excusing Sogyal’s actions, suggested that the real culprit is western Buddhists failure to properly understand the the guru-pupil dynamic.

So, his first response is always ‘don’t always look at things from beyond your typically bloated European or American perspective’ which is a bluntness that many of his followers admire about him (not unlike with Trump and his followers, or many outspoken people who say shocking things just to stir things up). And when later pressed on the subject, they usually fall back on “what I meant was…the point that I was making was…” and “of course my heart goes out to…”

But it is unfortunate that he allowed himself to take such an opportunist stand. There is a time and place for proper political criticism. Attacking victims and those trying to help victims in order to point out some hypocrisy or settle old scores is lacking in both wisdom and compassion, and skillful means.
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KristenM wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:47 am I was a fan, but am also feeling the same perplexity. The way he continues the whataboutism and proliferates arguments based on gross generalizations and false narratives. I guess we always learn the hard way that our teachers aren’t perfect.
The fact that when he “teaches” he basically rambles on and on and keeps drifting from the topic wasn’t enough, eh?
:lol:
I think he’s brilliant, has accomplished many great things, and is an excellent film maker. But he’s got one hell of a chip on his shoulder.
Maybe when everything is “verrrrrry important” as he like to say (constantly) one starts to mix up their priorities.
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:08 am
KristenM wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:47 am I was a fan, but am also feeling the same perplexity. The way he continues the whataboutism and proliferates arguments based on gross generalizations and false narratives. I guess we always learn the hard way that our teachers aren’t perfect.
The fact that when he “teaches” he basically rambles on and on and keeps drifting from the topic wasn’t enough, eh?
:lol:
I think he’s brilliant, has accomplished many great things, and is an excellent film maker. But he’s got one hell of a chip on his shoulder.
Maybe when everything is “verrrrrry important” as he like to say (constantly) one starts to mix up their priorities.
I really loved his father’s books, but I’ve never met either of them in person. I give him credit for his creativity and passion. I’ve got a similar feeling about Uma Thurman, whom I have met and wasn’t totally blown away by her Bodhisattva qualities either. The apple falls far from the tree at times. Chalk it up to worldly distractions.
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Bhumi108w wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:15 am I sense some folks are not fans of DJKR here.
DJKR’s politics are not interesting or particularly well-informed. His grasp of modern history is atrocious.

Nevertheless, he has used his reputation to benefit many people with the dharma, despite what ever one perceive his personal limitations to be.

I generally make a point of separating people’s politics from their commitment to Dharma.
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KristenM wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:32 am I’ve got a similar feeling about Uma Thurman, whom I have met and wasn’t totally blown away by her Bodhisattva qualities either.
Not intending to be critical but afaik she's just an ordinary person so expecting her to have the qualities of a bodhisattva may be a bit unrealistic.

Or am I missing something and she's been recognized as the incarnation of a Lama?

Either way maybe you just got her on a bad day.
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Tilopa wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:54 am Not intending to be critical but afaik she's just an ordinary person
What makes you DJKR is anything other than an ordinary person?
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Tilopa wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:54 am
KristenM wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:32 am I’ve got a similar feeling about Uma Thurman, whom I have met and wasn’t totally blown away by her Bodhisattva qualities either.
Not intending to be critical but afaik she's just an ordinary person so expecting her to have the qualities of a bodhisattva may be a bit unrealistic.

Or am I missing something and she's been recognized as the incarnation of a Lama?

Either way maybe you just got her on a bad day.
For sure. It is an unrealistic expectation to assume a child of a great Buddhist practitioner would have those same qualities.
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KristenM wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:06 am
Tilopa wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:54 am
KristenM wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:32 am I’ve got a similar feeling about Uma Thurman, whom I have met and wasn’t totally blown away by her Bodhisattva qualities either.
Not intending to be critical but afaik she's just an ordinary person so expecting her to have the qualities of a bodhisattva may be a bit unrealistic.

Or am I missing something and she's been recognized as the incarnation of a Lama?

Either way maybe you just got her on a bad day.
For sure. It is an unrealistic expectation to assume a child of a great Buddhist practitioner would have those same qualities.
Who says Thurman is a “great Buddhist practitioner?” I met him, and while he can be funny, I found him to be rather hysterical and brittle in general.
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Malcolm wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:27 am
KristenM wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:06 am
Tilopa wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:54 am

Not intending to be critical but afaik she's just an ordinary person so expecting her to have the qualities of a bodhisattva may be a bit unrealistic.

Or am I missing something and she's been recognized as the incarnation of a Lama?

Either way maybe you just got her on a bad day.
For sure. It is an unrealistic expectation to assume a child of a great Buddhist practitioner would have those same qualities.
Who says Thurman is a “great Buddhist practitioner?” I met him, and while he can be funny, I found him to be rather hysterical and brittle in general.
True, I merely assumed.
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Bhumi108w wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:15 am I sense some folks are not fans of DJKR here.
I really like his book “what makes you not Buddhist,”’and the part of “not for happiness” that I read.

I am not a fan of this nonsense!
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