Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022

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cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 11:59 pm
Malcolm wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 10:33 pm
cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 9:07 pm

Hi Malcom,

I appreciate your translation work, thank you very much for your efforts.

I'm not familiar with this term at all.
Your assertion that "awareness," by which I assume you mean the term "rig pa," is not something to be cultivated is completely mistaken. I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not a correct understanding. Rig pa is just a special kind of knowledge, that's all.
Malcom,

Thank you for clarifying.

I am not suggesting that familiarization with rig pa is not required, if that is what is meant here by cultivation. Only that rig pa is not created/modified/etc upon recognition of it,
Rig pa is the recognition. When there is no recognition, there is no rig pa. There is instead ma rig pa, ignorance.
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Malcolm wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 12:56 am
cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 11:59 pm
Malcolm wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 10:33 pm

Your assertion that "awareness," by which I assume you mean the term "rig pa," is not something to be cultivated is completely mistaken. I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not a correct understanding. Rig pa is just a special kind of knowledge, that's all.
Malcom,

Thank you for clarifying.

I am not suggesting that familiarization with rig pa is not required, if that is what is meant here by cultivation. Only that rig pa is not created/modified/etc upon recognition of it,
Rig pa is the recognition. When there is no recognition, there is no rig pa. There is instead ma rig pa, ignorance.
I see where my language was off. Recognition of the nature of mind.

I consider myself a student of this tradition, not Advaita. Apologies if my flawed language conveyed otherwise.

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cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 11:59 pmThe reason I said this is because Nalanda was asking how many times one can receive a DI
Many times? For Pointing-Out Instructions? I'm not saying it's not true but I'm curious where else did I ask except for that one time? Just curious.
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Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:00 am
cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 11:59 pmThe reason I said this is because Nalanda was asking how many times one can receive a DI
Many times? For Pointing-Out Instructions? I'm not saying it's not true but I'm curious where else did I ask except for that one time? Just curious.
You can receive PO over and over again from many different teachers. That’s fine. Most useful would be to use the methods given to give yourself PO over and over again every day.
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Arnoud wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:02 am
Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:00 am
cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 11:59 pmThe reason I said this is because Nalanda was asking how many times one can receive a DI
Many times? For Pointing-Out Instructions? I'm not saying it's not true but I'm curious where else did I ask except for that one time? Just curious.
You can receive PO over and over again from many different teachers. That’s fine. Most useful would be to use the methods given to give yourself PO over and over again every day.

Yeah I understood that part. Thanks.

I'm just replying to CBJ's claim that I asked "many times" about "pointing-out instructions" and "direct instructions" something I don't believe I did. But if I did, I'd like to know where so I could review the replies.
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Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:06 am
Arnoud wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:02 am
Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:00 am

Many times? For Pointing-Out Instructions? I'm not saying it's not true but I'm curious where else did I ask except for that one time? Just curious.
You can receive PO over and over again from many different teachers. That’s fine. Most useful would be to use the methods given to give yourself PO over and over again every day.

Yeah I understood that part. Thanks.

I'm just replying to CBJ's claim that I asked "many times" about "pointing-out instructions" and "direct instructions" something I don't believe I did. But if I did, I'd like to know where so I could review the replies.
Reread cbj's quote: he did not say you asked many times, he said you asked HOW many times.
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Nalanda wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 11:35 pm When you get a pointing-out instruction, does that mean it's a one-time thing or you can keep getting it from various teachers?
Nalanda,

"One-time thing or keep getting it."

I may have assumed too much about your reason for asking this.

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cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 12:40 am Nalanda,

I usually just lurk here, but I see you asking about pointing-out frequently.
Did i ask frequently or did I ask if its to be received frequently? either case, i didn't.

if i did, where?
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Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:53 am
cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 12:40 am Nalanda,

I usually just lurk here, but I see you asking about pointing-out frequently.
Did i ask frequently or did I ask if its to be received frequently? either case, i didn't.

if i did, where?
Oh I see, well, I've seen you post in many threads. You ask a lot of questions. I couldn't say exactly how many times generally, but something sparked me to brave Malcom's inevitable (and welcome) reply and make sure you knew that you have options that are very accessible from a lovely, qualified teacher.

The content of my post was specifically referring to the quote in this thread.

Like I said, I hope it wasn't out of line and was helpful.

No criticism of you in any way.

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cjb wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 3:04 am
Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:53 am
cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 12:40 am Nalanda,

I usually just lurk here, but I see you asking about pointing-out frequently.
Did i ask frequently or did I ask if its to be received frequently? either case, i didn't.

if i did, where?
Oh I see, well, I've seen you post in many threads. You ask a lot of questions. I couldn't say exactly how many times generally, but something sparked me to brave Malcom's inevitable (and welcome) reply and make sure you knew that you have options that are very accessible from a lovely, qualified teacher.

The content of my post was specifically referring to the quote in this thread.

Like I said, I hope it wasn't out of line and was helpful.

No criticism of you in any way.

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Yes I ask "a lot of questions" but I don't recall asking about "pointing-out" instructions many times. If you have records of that, please provide so I could actually read the replies.
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I think y'all need to discuss this privately at this point. :offtopic:
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Or not. Please don't PM.

The harassment I get by PM is already too much.
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In any case the important thing is not to receive it many times but to actually practice what you've received. Otherwise it doesn't help, to borrow a phrase from another context, even if you have your forehead beaten flat by being hit by the vase.
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So about samaya which was mentioned a number of times during the retreat, how does one actually respect that?

(Yes I know I asked this a couple of times, in case another one in the woods show up or PM me.)
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Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 4:44 am So about samaya which was mentioned a number of times during the retreat, how does one actually respect that?

(Yes I know I asked this a couple of times, in case another one in the woods show up or PM me.)
Did the presiding master mention any samaya commitments during the teachings? Sometimes they do, sometimes not.

If yes, then follow their instructions.

If no, then in general it is important to have the utmost respect and if possible generate some devotion for this teacher that gave you these transmissions/pointing out instructions or whatever. It is through the guru that we receive teachings, and receive instructions.

Also keep great respect for the lineage.

Furthermore, samaya also means keeping these teachings and practices secret from those who have not received them or are seen as not being suitable for them.

I'm sure others will add, but this is a good start.
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Good. I intend to follow CJWR over the long term and to practice the teachings I received. And yes on keeping it secret. Thx
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Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 4:44 am So about samaya which was mentioned a number of times during the retreat, how does one actually respect that?

(Yes I know I asked this a couple of times, in case another one in the woods show up or PM me.)
One of the more qualified teachers or posters may post a satisfying answer, but I think this is also a good question to email Abhaya Fellowship and try to ask Chakung Rinpoche/his organization directly. Direct guidance on keeping samaya is usually best.
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stoneinfocus wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 4:54 am
Nalanda wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 4:44 am So about samaya which was mentioned a number of times during the retreat, how does one actually respect that?

(Yes I know I asked this a couple of times, in case another one in the woods show up or PM me.)
One of the more qualified teachers or posters may post a satisfying answer, but I think this is also a good question to email Abhaya Fellowship and try to ask Chakung Rinpoche/his organization directly. Direct guidance on keeping samaya is usually best.
:good:

This is actually the best advice. If you really want to follow a certain teacher, you need to have a sense of trust in what they are teaching. Therefore, it matters most what they say and not what others may think.
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I
Archie2009 wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 10:45 pm
Malcolm wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 10:33 pm
cjb wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 9:07 pm

Hi Malcom,

I appreciate your translation work, thank you very much for your efforts.

I'm not familiar with this term at all.
Your assertion that "awareness," by which I assume you mean the term "rig pa," is not something to be cultivated is completely mistaken. I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not a correct understanding. Rig pa is just a special kind of knowledge, that's all.
I think I heard something very similar in a Lama Lena video I watched out of curiosity on YouTube once, but I can't speak for cjb, of course.
That would not surprise me at all.
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