Thank you for these details, Malcolm-la. Very helpful.Malcolm wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 5:37 pmNo, it is an ancient category of preliminaries found in the Sound tantra and its attendant commentary. Unfortunately, one of the key manuals that explains how to actually practice this is missing.YesheDronmar wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 5:34 pmThank you for this information, Malcolm.
Is the Guidance of the Three Kayas from Dudjom Lingpa?
Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
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Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Thank you for this very helpful information.rang.drol wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 6:56 pmHe received it via Khandroma Kunzang Wangmo, who was the daughter of Patrul Namkha Jikme (a reincarnation of Patrul Rinpoche by the way), who in turn was one of the sons of Dudjom Lingpa.Archie2009 wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 7:46 amI wasn't taking notes and didn't write down the name of the person who gave Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche this empowerment, but Düdjom Lingpa (1835-1904) was Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche's great great great grandfather (4th generation). Düdjom Lingpa had many children, eight sons and four daughters, ten grandchildren, and ten great grandchildren (B. Alan Wallace in Düdjom Lingpa's Visions of the Great Perfection, Vol. 1: Heart of the Great Perfection, page 16). All of his sons were great practitioners, scholars, etc. It is not clear to me through which of Düdjom Lingpa's twelve children Rinpoche is related to him. But obviously the lineage of the transmission of the empowerment and teachings we received and will receive over the weekend is very short, direct and pure as a result. Throughout his life, Düdjom Lingpa had many visionary encounters with e.g. various manifestations of Padmasambhava. On these occassions he received teachings. His autobiography has been translated as A Clear Mirror: The Visionary Autobiography of a Tibetan Master (Rangjung Yeshe Publications). The B. Alan Wallace book I mentioned above contains a short biographical sketch as well.
So indeed the lineage is a very short one and mostly within the Dudjom Lingpa family itself (up to Dakini Kunzang Wangmo), so we are truly fortunate to be connected to this!
Do you know how Chakung Jigme Wangdruk Rinpoche is related biologically to Dudjom Lingpa, which of his sons and grandchildren he is descended from? I’m guessing that Khandro Kunzang Wangmo is is aunt.
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Nalanda,
I usually just lurk here, but I see you asking about pointing-out frequently.
Awareness is timeless and unobstructed. It is never separate from your being and it cannot be created anew, lost, or destroyed and is not something that is cultivated.
It's so very simple, but because of this, many overthink it.
I recommend joining one of Lama Lena's practice groups or catching a live stream when she returns from Europe and requesting pointing out instructions rather than waiting indefinitely.
Receive pointing out as many times as you like, there is no change in what is pointed out. Getting this from one teacher doesn't mean you can't receive teachings from others or anything like that.
I hope this advice isn't out of line and that it's helpful to you.
- Cameron
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Thanks. Yes on Lama Lena.cjb wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 12:40 amNalanda,
I usually just lurk here, but I see you asking about pointing-out frequently.
Awareness is timeless and unobstructed. It is never separate from your being and it cannot be created anew, lost, or destroyed and is not something that is cultivated.
It's so very simple, but because of this, many overthink it.
I recommend joining one of Lama Lena's practice groups or catching a live stream when she returns from Europe and requesting pointing out instructions rather than waiting indefinitely.
Receive pointing out as many times as you like, there is no change in what is pointed out. Getting this from one teacher doesn't mean you can't receive teachings from others or anything like that.
I hope this advice isn't out of line and that it's helpful to you.
- Cameron
And I'm glad I've made you finally join/post -- for the first time.
I'm glad I have this effect on you.
IF YOU PRACTICE WITH A STRONG BELIEF IN WHAT
YOU ARE DOING, THEN THERE IS NO LIMIT TO WHAT
YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH YOUR PRACTICE.
CHAKUNG JIGME WANGDRAK RINPOCHE
YOU ARE DOING, THEN THERE IS NO LIMIT TO WHAT
YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH YOUR PRACTICE.
CHAKUNG JIGME WANGDRAK RINPOCHE
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"Those who think they have found mind are deluded and most likely under the influence of drugs or alcohol."
Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche during this retreat (through his translator and then my almost illegible, hasty notes).
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Hi Malcom,
I appreciate your translation work, thank you very much for your efforts.
I'm not familiar with this term at all.
- Cameron
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Specifically, he interpreted you comments as suggestive that you have a viewpoint similar to Advaita Vedanta dressed up in Dzogchen drag.
This is the viewpoint of certain Shaivites, as well as others, that have been at times compared and contrasted with Dzogchenpas.
Virgo
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
I can't even find my feet on alcohol.Archie2009 wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 7:53 am"Those who think they have found mind are deluded and most likely under the influence of drugs or alcohol."
Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche during this retreat (through his translator and then my almost illegible, hasty notes).
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
It's just gaslighting.Virgo wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 9:56 pmSpecifically, he interpreted you comments as suggestive that you have a viewpoint similar to Advaita Vedanta dressed up in Dzogchen drag.
This is the viewpoint of certain Shaivites, as well as others, that have been at times compared and contrasted with Dzogchenpas.
Virgo
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Edit: nevermind.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Virgo
Thank you and have a nice day.
Virgo
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Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
He never said anything about advaita or resembling advaita.Virgo wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 10:30 pmI don't think so. Dzogchen is an anti-foundationalist system. This is, in essence, the way it differs from Advaita Vedanta. Whether cjb really has such a view or not I cannot say. Perhaps he just phrased his comment in a clumsy way (I know I am often guilty of that). It is something he should investigate himself. If he agrees with the Advaitan view, then he should be an Advaitan. As practitioners, it is important that we understand the differences.Crazywisdom wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 10:19 pmIt's just gaslighting.Virgo wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 9:56 pm
Specifically, he interpreted you comments as suggestive that you have a viewpoint similar to Advaita Vedanta dressed up in Dzogchen drag.
This is the viewpoint of certain Shaivites, as well as others, that have been at times compared and contrasted with Dzogchenpas.
Virgo
Why do you think it is gaslighting?
Virgo
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Your assertion that "awareness," by which I assume you mean the term "rig pa," is not something to be cultivated is completely mistaken. I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not a correct understanding. Rig pa is just a special kind of knowledge, that's all.
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I think I heard something very similar in a Lama Lena video I watched out of curiosity on YouTube once, but I can't speak for cjb, of course.Malcolm wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 10:33 pmYour assertion that "awareness," by which I assume you mean the term "rig pa," is not something to be cultivated is completely mistaken. I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not a correct understanding. Rig pa is just a special kind of knowledge, that's all.
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Let me ask this: do you think that having an Advaitan view as someone who is trying to practice Dzogchen is advantageous or disadvantageous?
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Oh you don't take his comment as resembling advaita. Ok. Well I will leave arguing of that to people who enjoy discussing these kinds of points.Crazywisdom wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 10:32 pm He never said anything about advaita or resembling advaita.
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Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Isn't the point people often taking on advaita ideas without realizing it?
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Thanks Malcolm,Malcolm wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 10:33 pmYour assertion that "awareness," by which I assume you mean the term "rig pa," is not something to be cultivated is completely mistaken. I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not a correct understanding. Rig pa is just a special kind of knowledge, that's all.
I really wanted to ask the question but didn't want to step on toes. In your opinion, what is the best translation into English for "rig pa"? I have heard several, and I know ChNN would often use the word "knowledge," which makes sense. Is there another way you would translate it also?
As I understand it "rig" means to "see", or to "know," as in knowing one's own condition. Is this correct?
Otherwise, your statement makes sense, since once one has had an experience of rig pa, then through practice we work to return to that again and again, for longer and longer periods of time.
Is this a correct understanding?
Thank you.
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
I wonder if this is "Advaitin" also:
Your essence, and the essence of every living creature, is pure, whole, and complete. There’s nothing missing, and that’s why we call it the Great Perfection. YOU are the Great Perfection. Don’t forget that. Dzogchen is talking about you. This Great Perfection is you right now, right here in this moment, not some fully developed you after you do a lot more meditation.
In Dzogchen, we call this enlightened nature rigpa, or pure awareness. Unlike some approaches in which buddhanature is taught in a more theoretical way, and you need to study and meditate for a long time to figure out what it is, Dzogchen is experiential. You get introduced to pure awareness directly, right on the spot.
Malcolm wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 10:33 pm Your assertion that "awareness," by which I assume you mean the term "rig pa," is not something to be cultivated is completely mistaken. I am not sure where you learned this, but it is not a correct understanding. Rig pa is just a special kind of knowledge, that's all.
"The world is made of stories, not atoms."
--- Muriel Rukeyser
--- Muriel Rukeyser
Re: Dzogchen Meditation Retreat with Chakung Jigme Wangdrak Rinpoche and Anam Thubten May 13-15 2022
Or this:
Dzogchen is a system that emphasizes the direct awakening to nature of mind,
or rigpa (W. rig pa). It is not any kind of creed or some particular doctrine that we
can hold onto or define. Rigpa, or awareness, is the most important theme in all of
Dzogchen. Rigpa is described as the unconditioned, the buddha mind, or the high-
est state of awakening. Yet it is not like some kind of supreme, transcendent con-
sciousness that is distant from us. Instead, it can be so simple that an individual
can experience it at any given moment. And when one experiences rigpa, it often
doesn’t come as some kind of grand vision or experience; it can be shockingly sim-
ple... One of the hindrances to awak-
ening to rigpa is our tendency to mystify it, therefore Dzogchen masters often take
a lot of time demystifying rigpa.
"The world is made of stories, not atoms."
--- Muriel Rukeyser
--- Muriel Rukeyser