Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
- Konchog Thogme Jampa
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Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.
Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
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Drikung Kagyu has Achi Choking Drolma. Other lineages have their own protectors.
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Mahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.
Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
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Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
Neither Dzogchen nor Mahamudra are monolithic. MaZurDam Sum are the general protectors supplicated by most Nyingma lineages, but there are quite a few others who guard various terma cycles, etc.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:48 pmMahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.
Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
Nyingmapas also practice Mahakala in various forms, though there's not a lot of public "spread" of these practices amongst the Nyingmapa lineages. In general, the Sarma schools practice their own traditional forms of Mahakala and Mahakali. So, depending on what sort of "Mahamudra" tradition you follow, if you are practicing Tantra you would likely encounter Mahakala/Mahakali practices. Many Sarma practitioners also maintain commitments with various other protectors, including the MaZurDam Sum as well.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
The iconography of which is entirely based on Nyingma tantras...conebeckham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:53 pm In general, the Sarma schools practice their own traditional forms of Mahakala and Mahakali.
Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
Not very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:48 pmMahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.
Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
I received the lung for all the Drikung Dharmapālas many years ago (1991). Mahākāla was prominent in the texts translated for the Frederick, MD. Dharma Center by Khenchen Konchok Gyaltsen, where I imagine they are still in use today.
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Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
Yamantaka is in Garchen DrikungCrazywisdom wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:07 pmNot very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:48 pmMahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.
Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
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Yes it is there. But day to day they are into Achi almost exclusively.
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Yidam, not dharmapāla.Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:51 pmYamantaka is in Garchen Drikung
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I would imagine Chakshipa, yes?
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
Interesting. The Eight Chapter Tantra, 25 Chapter Tantra and 50 chapter Tantra were early translations? It's interesting, given that so many of these Mahakala forms are linked with various Sarma yidams.....Hevajra and GurGon, Demchok and ChakShipa, etc.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:40 pmThe iconography of which is entirely based on Nyingma tantras...conebeckham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:53 pm In general, the Sarma schools practice their own traditional forms of Mahakala and Mahakali.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
Yes, and crow headed Mahākāla etc.conebeckham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:02 pmI would imagine Chakshipa, yes?
Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
It is actually a tantra called the "mkha' 'gro me lce.conebeckham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:07 pmInteresting. The Eight Chapter Tantra, 25 Chapter Tantra and 50 chapter Tantra were early translations? It's interesting, given that so many of these Mahakala forms are linked with various Sarma yidams.....Hevajra and GurGon, Demchok and ChakShipa, etc.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:40 pmThe iconography of which is entirely based on Nyingma tantras...conebeckham wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:53 pm In general, the Sarma schools practice their own traditional forms of Mahakala and Mahakali.
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Sorry, my mistake.
Ma Ekadzati, Za Rahula, Damchen Dorje Legpa.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Mahamudra Dharma Protectors
conebeckham wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:27 pmSorry, my mistake.
Ma Ekadzati, Za Rahula, Damchen Dorje Legpa.
I thought maybe another name for Rahula that I don't know
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