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So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.

Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
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Drikung Kagyu has Achi Choking Drolma. Other lineages have their own protectors.
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Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.

Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
Mahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.
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Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:48 pm
Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.

Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
Mahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.
Neither Dzogchen nor Mahamudra are monolithic. MaZurDam Sum are the general protectors supplicated by most Nyingma lineages, but there are quite a few others who guard various terma cycles, etc.

Nyingmapas also practice Mahakala in various forms, though there's not a lot of public "spread" of these practices amongst the Nyingmapa lineages. In general, the Sarma schools practice their own traditional forms of Mahakala and Mahakali. So, depending on what sort of "Mahamudra" tradition you follow, if you are practicing Tantra you would likely encounter Mahakala/Mahakali practices. Many Sarma practitioners also maintain commitments with various other protectors, including the MaZurDam Sum as well.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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conebeckham wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:53 pm In general, the Sarma schools practice their own traditional forms of Mahakala and Mahakali.
The iconography of which is entirely based on Nyingma tantras...
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Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:48 pm
Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.

Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
Mahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.
Not very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:07 pm
Not very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.
I received the lung for all the Drikung Dharmapālas many years ago (1991). Mahākāla was prominent in the texts translated for the Frederick, MD. Dharma Center by Khenchen Konchok Gyaltsen, where I imagine they are still in use today.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:07 pm
Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:48 pm
Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:49 pm So Dzogchen has Ekajati, Rahula and Dorje Legpa as its protectors.

Does Mahamudra have its own protectors?
Mahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.
Not very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.
Yamantaka is in Garchen Drikung
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Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:50 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:07 pm
Not very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.
I received the lung for all the Drikung Dharmapālas many years ago (1991). Mahākāla was prominent in the texts translated for the Frederick, MD. Dharma Center by Khenchen Konchok Gyaltsen, where I imagine they are still in use today.
Yes it is there. But day to day they are into Achi almost exclusively.
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Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:51 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:07 pm
Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:48 pm

Mahākāla and Mahākāli are the general protectors of secret mantra. All lineages practice these two protectors. Of all protectors, they are the most reliable, and are found in many tantras, both old and new.
Not very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.
Yamantaka is in Garchen Drikung
Yidam, not dharmapāla.
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Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:50 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:07 pm
Not very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.
I received the lung for all the Drikung Dharmapālas many years ago (1991). Mahākāla was prominent in the texts translated for the Frederick, MD. Dharma Center by Khenchen Konchok Gyaltsen, where I imagine they are still in use today.
I would imagine Chakshipa, yes?
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:40 pm
conebeckham wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:53 pm In general, the Sarma schools practice their own traditional forms of Mahakala and Mahakali.
The iconography of which is entirely based on Nyingma tantras...
Interesting. The Eight Chapter Tantra, 25 Chapter Tantra and 50 chapter Tantra were early translations? It's interesting, given that so many of these Mahakala forms are linked with various Sarma yidams.....Hevajra and GurGon, Demchok and ChakShipa, etc.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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conebeckham wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:02 pm
Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:50 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:07 pm
Not very prominent in Drikung Kagyu.
I received the lung for all the Drikung Dharmapālas many years ago (1991). Mahākāla was prominent in the texts translated for the Frederick, MD. Dharma Center by Khenchen Konchok Gyaltsen, where I imagine they are still in use today.
I would imagine Chakshipa, yes?
Yes, and crow headed Mahākāla etc.
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conebeckham wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:07 pm
Malcolm wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:40 pm
conebeckham wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:53 pm In general, the Sarma schools practice their own traditional forms of Mahakala and Mahakali.
The iconography of which is entirely based on Nyingma tantras...
Interesting. The Eight Chapter Tantra, 25 Chapter Tantra and 50 chapter Tantra were early translations? It's interesting, given that so many of these Mahakala forms are linked with various Sarma yidams.....Hevajra and GurGon, Demchok and ChakShipa, etc.
It is actually a tantra called the "mkha' 'gro me lce.
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Who is MaZurDam Sum?
I only know MaZaDam Sum.
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lelopa wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:35 am Who is MaZurDam Sum?
I only know MaZaDam Sum.
Sorry, my mistake.
Ma Ekadzati, Za Rahula, Damchen Dorje Legpa.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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conebeckham wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:27 pm
lelopa wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:35 am Who is MaZurDam Sum?
I only know MaZaDam Sum.
Sorry, my mistake.
Ma Ekadzati, Za Rahula, Damchen Dorje Legpa.
:thanks:
I thought maybe another name for Rahula that I don't know
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