ShineeSeoul wrote:I was not actually interested to practice Tantras, I think its weird because Buddha hasn't made his teaching as a secret, but thats different topic, and I still don't know why they keep it secret, any way, The Taisho Tripitaka does not contain Highest Yoga Tantra...right? this is part of Tibetan Tripitaka which is different from Taisho for what I know....
I read some where that the source of Chakras in Rieki came from Shingon Buddhism, though the creator of Reiki was Tendai Buddhist but he is either change to Shingon Buddhism or take something from them, thats why there is Chakras in Rieki ...so I was wondering what makes Shingon Buddhist believing in Chakras
Regarding secrecy, the Buddha had the wisdom to teach different beings according to their capabilities. Even in the sravaka path, things like the meditation on the impurity of the body was restricted because of the potential danger for misunderstandings. Likewise, much of the Vinaya is limited to monastics. And if you believe that the tantras were taught by the Buddha himself, he very clearly states the need for secrecy there. The reason why is because tantra in particular can be abused, and it also presents great risks to the practitioner. With regards to Highest Yoga Tantra at least, it is traditionally compared to a snake in a bamboo tube - you can only go all the way up or all the way down. Likewise, tantra will either lead you to realisation or hell, and not much in between (or so I have been told, your mileage may vary). But as I mentioned in my post, there are at least two Highest Yoga Tantras in the Taisho, Guhyasamaja [佛說一切如來金剛三業最上祕密大教王經, Taisho Vol. 18 no. 885] and Hevajra [佛說大悲空智金剛大教王儀軌經, Taisho Vol. 18 no. 892]. As I said before, while these texts were translated, the lineage of initiation and practice was not spread to China, so there is no working with chakras in Shingon as you have in the Tibetan traditions.
I read from multiple sources actually says Shingon does have Chakras, I am not sure why there is confusion about this
One problem is that the term chakra is so broad. Literally, it means wheel. And so there are many levels of meaning to this, even in the context of tantra. However, the popular understanding of chakras as energy centers associated with specific points along the center of your body has little correspondence to the core practice of Shingon. Another problem is that your sources (Meditation Expert) are unreliable. As much about Shingon is still unknown and kept secret especially in Western settings, this allows wrong information to be spread around about it.
Johnny Dangerous wrote: WuMing wrote:
Johnny Dangerous wrote: ... There is definitely just such an association of five chakras with Five Buddha families/Elements etc in Tibetan Vajrayana...in fact, the association is pretty foundational to Tantra. Just Google a bit if interested.
Are rin associated with different parts of the body in Shingon, or they just associations?
Yes, they are, and subsequently the body is seen as a Mandala.
Sorry, I just don't know not much about Tibetan Tantra.
Well, what you describe is quite near (in a basic sense at least) to concepts in Tibetan Tantra, including the body mandala.
http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?titl ... a_families
To me that does not seem shocking, since Shingon is Vajrayana.
So I guess it appears the answer is yes, chakra are taught in Shingon, and yes they are not dissimilar to things which are taught in Indo-Tibetan Varjayana...near as I can tell?
It is more like the Tibetan inner mandala offering of transforming your body into a mandala than the body mandala, since body mandalas are limited to only a few Highest Yoga Tantra systems even in Tibetan Buddhism. In the Tibetan tradition, chakras as energy centers are only relevant to Highest Yoga Tantra when practising completion stage, and since the tantric systems in Shingon do not teach the subtle body and the winds, channels, and drops, there is no equivalence to be made. The Tibetan tradition shares these methods with other non-Buddhist Indian yogic systems, but not with Shingon.