Tibetan names
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Rinchen Chodron: precious dharma light (female)
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"Lamp" rather than the more general "light" might be preferable.
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Well, the function of a lamp is to have the tsal of light and here i go for the appearances of the basis in forms of the 5 lights of 5 wisdoms.
And it is very precious to recognize these lights as such (bardo of dying)
Dharma is encompassed by these lights. The 5 elements space, wind, fire, water, earth are based on these lights.
So these lights are precious and all Dharma are based on them.
The person with this name is or can be aware of these precious dharma lights / wisdoms, and to recognize them, that would be then the related practice.
Precious dharma light is a good translation
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I've heard sgron is translated as lamp, or torch...
'od is translated as light
'od is translated as light
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A lamp ( butterlamp, electric lamp, etc.) is even a lamp when it is offJames Sealy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:20 pmAgree, that is the literal translation.
But a lamp has the function to have that `od, without that light it's not a lamp.
The lamp = the light
a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...
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The Lamp realized in the dark retreat has self emergent pure visionslelopa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:49 pmA lamp ( butterlamp, electric lamp, etc.) is even a lamp when it is offJames Sealy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:20 pmAgree, that is the literal translation.
But a lamp has the function to have that `od, without that light it's not a lamp.
The lamp = the light
a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...
This lamp has visions, the "light" with which one can be aware.
Guess the Mind is based on this never ending "light".
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As a last remark regarding the lamp.James Sealy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:29 pmThe Lamp realized in the dark retreat has self emergent pure visionslelopa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:49 pmA lamp ( butterlamp, electric lamp, etc.) is even a lamp when it is offJames Sealy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:20 pm
Agree, that is the literal translation.
But a lamp has the function to have that `od, without that light it's not a lamp.
The lamp = the light
a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...
This lamp has visions, the "light" with which one can be aware.
Guess the Mind is based on this never ending "light".
That is what we mean, by saying self-clear, like of the lamp, it is self-clear or rangsal (rang gsal).
" Precious lamp of self-clear light " ( which encompasses all Dharma ), would then a more complete translation, according Dzogchen.
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James Sealy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:18 pmAs a last remark regarding the lamp.James Sealy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:29 pmThe Lamp realized in the dark retreat has self emergent pure visions
This lamp has visions, the "light" with which one can be aware.
Guess the Mind is based on this never ending "light".
That is what we mean, by saying self-clear, like of the lamp, it is self-clear or rangsal (rang gsal).
The Lamp lightens outside and itself, both.
" Precious lamp of self-clear light " ( which encompasses all Dharma ), would then a more complete translation, according Dzogchen.
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If that’s the case, then a lump of wax is simply a candle without a wick. Thus, a lump of wax is a lamp, and a bee hive, because it is made of wax, is also a lamp (infused with honey). If a beehive is a lamp, and a lamp is a light, then since bees create beeswax, bees manufacture light.
Since bees do not manufacture light, an unlit candle is not a candle.
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When I go to the store to buy a candle they sell me a candle .PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:18 pmIf that’s the case, then a lump of wax is simply a candle without a wick. Thus, a lump of wax is a lamp, and a bee hive, because it is made of wax, is also a lamp (infused with honey). If a beehive is a lamp, and a lamp is a light, then since bees create beeswax, bees manufacture light.
Since bees do not manufacture light, an unlit candle is not a candle.
They don't sell light.
The same with a lamp, a lightbulb, any lamp.
The light comes later when I use it as light dispenser....
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But what makes it a candle, as opposed to being, say, dental floss?lelopa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:00 amWhen I go to the store to buy a candle they sell me a candle .PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:18 pmIf that’s the case, then a lump of wax is simply a candle without a wick. Thus, a lump of wax is a lamp, and a bee hive, because it is made of wax, is also a lamp (infused with honey). If a beehive is a lamp, and a lamp is a light, then since bees create beeswax, bees manufacture light.
Since bees do not manufacture light, an unlit candle is not a candle.
They sell you a piece of wax with string in it.
Likewise, dental floss is string enclosed in wax.
But dental floss is not a candle. Why?
It’s merely called “candle”.
But it’s just composite phenomena.
But more to the point, anything set on fire, whether called a candle, a butter lamp, a Yule log, will produce light.
Anyway, whether a dharma name means light or if it means lamp, it’s referring to the action of emitting light.
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Yes!PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:26 pm
Anyway, whether a dharma name means light or if it means lamp, it’s referring to the action of emitting light.
Or the action to make something bright, visible, clear.
Shed light on something
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This lamp cannot be compared to a conventional known lamp with oil and a wick.lelopa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:45 pmYes!PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:26 pm
Anyway, whether a dharma name means light or if it means lamp, it’s referring to the action of emitting light.
Or the action to make something bright, visible, clear.
Shed light on something
This lamp has self emergent light as energy.
The word lamp is used to give it an identity
It "shines"/ functions, without interruption since beginningless time
It makes outer visions possible, but also the kun gzhi with its nature.
A synonym for this lamp, only used in Bön, is tsön gang.
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Yes,James Sealy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:30 pmThis lamp cannot be compared to a conventional known lamp with oil and a wick.lelopa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:45 pmYes!PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:26 pm
Anyway, whether a dharma name means light or if it means lamp, it’s referring to the action of emitting light.
Or the action to make something bright, visible, clear.
Shed light on something
This lamp has self emergent light as energy.
The word lamp is used to give it an identity
It "shines"/ functions, without interruption since beginningless time
It makes outer visions possible, but also the kun gzhi with its nature.
A synonym for this lamp, only used in Bön, is tsön gang.
all this is not drön.
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"lelopa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:24 pmYes,James Sealy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:30 pmThis lamp cannot be compared to a conventional known lamp with oil and a wick.
This lamp has self emergent light as energy.
The word lamp is used to give it an identity
It "shines"/ functions, without interruption since beginningless time
It makes outer visions possible, but also the kun gzhi with its nature.
A synonym for this lamp, only used in Bön, is tsön gang.
all this is not drön.
That what is here explained, like the tson gang is symbolic meant and there are many names for this "lamp".
Sure the name lamp is used sometimes, but also Bodhicitta (absolute), Sugatagarbha and Tathagatagarbha.
It dwells in the heart, as an entity.
Even the Thirthikas know this entity and well as Atman. For them it abides also in the heart.
In Tantra we also know a lotus seat with a sun and moon disk in the heart, where there is the Yidam seated.
With phowa we shoot something out via the heart.
So the heart is the seat of "something", with different explanations.
One thing is sure we cannot see it with our eyes.
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Könchuk Rinchen Zangmo
Anyone have a translation for this? And can put it in Tibetan text for me? Thanks!
Rin
Anyone have a translation for this? And can put it in Tibetan text for me? Thanks!
Rin
Re: Tibetan names
I'd say དཀོན་མཆོག་རིན་ཆེན་བཟང་མོ་ it's something like 'kind treasured jewel', where:
konchok - དཀོན་མཆོག་ = jewel
rinchen - རིན་ཆེན་ = treasure
zangmo - བཟང་མོ་ = kind [mo (མོ་) is the female form; po (པོ་) is the male form]
but happy to be corrected.
konchok - དཀོན་མཆོག་ = jewel
rinchen - རིན་ཆེན་ = treasure
zangmo - བཟང་མོ་ = kind [mo (མོ་) is the female form; po (པོ་) is the male form]
but happy to be corrected.
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