Tibetan names

[tibetanintraining]

Rinchen Chodron: precious dharma light (female)

[tingdzin]

Rinchen Chodron: precious dharma light (female)

"Lamp" rather than the more general "light" might be preferable.

[James Sealy]

Rinchen Chodron: precious dharma light (female)

"Lamp" rather than the more general "light" might be preferable.

Well, the function of a lamp is to have the tsal of light and here i go for the appearances of the basis in forms of the 5 lights of 5 wisdoms.
And it is very precious to recognize these lights as such (bardo of dying)
Dharma is encompassed by these lights. The 5 elements space, wind, fire, water, earth are based on these lights.

So these lights are precious and all Dharma are based on them.
The person with this name is or can be aware of these precious dharma lights / wisdoms, and to recognize them, that would be then the related practice.

Precious dharma light is a good translation

[lelopa]

I've heard sgron is translated as lamp, or torch...
'od is translated as light

[James Sealy]

I've heard sgron is translated as lamp, or torch...
'od is translated as light

Agree, that is the literal translation.
But a lamp has the function to have that `od, without that light it's not a lamp.
The lamp = the light

[lelopa]

I've heard sgron is translated as lamp, or torch...
'od is translated as light

Agree, that is the literal translation.
But a lamp has the function to have that `od, without that light it's not a lamp.
The lamp = the light

A lamp ( butterlamp, electric lamp, etc.) is even a lamp when it is off
a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...

[James Sealy]

I've heard sgron is translated as lamp, or torch...
'od is translated as light

Agree, that is the literal translation.
But a lamp has the function to have that `od, without that light it's not a lamp.
The lamp = the light

A lamp ( butterlamp, electric lamp, etc.) is even a lamp when it is off
a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...

The Lamp realized in the dark retreat has self emergent pure visions
This lamp has visions, the "light" with which one can be aware.
Guess the Mind is based on this never ending "light".

[James Sealy]

Agree, that is the literal translation.
But a lamp has the function to have that `od, without that light it's not a lamp.
The lamp = the light

A lamp ( butterlamp, electric lamp, etc.) is even a lamp when it is off
a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...

The Lamp realized in the dark retreat has self emergent pure visions
This lamp has visions, the "light" with which one can be aware.
Guess the Mind is based on this never ending "light".

As a last remark regarding the lamp.
That is what we mean, by saying self-clear, like of the lamp, it is self-clear or rangsal (rang gsal).

" Precious lamp of self-clear light " ( which encompasses all Dharma ), would then a more complete translation, according Dzogchen.

[James Sealy]

A lamp ( butterlamp, electric lamp, etc.) is even a lamp when it is off
a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...

The Lamp realized in the dark retreat has self emergent pure visions
This lamp has visions, the "light" with which one can be aware.
Guess the Mind is based on this never ending "light".

As a last remark regarding the lamp.
That is what we mean, by saying self-clear, like of the lamp, it is self-clear or rangsal (rang gsal).
The Lamp lightens outside and itself, both.
" Precious lamp of self-clear light " ( which encompasses all Dharma ), would then a more complete translation, according Dzogchen.

[PadmaVonSamba]

a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...

If that’s the case, then a lump of wax is simply a candle without a wick. Thus, a lump of wax is a lamp, and a bee hive, because it is made of wax, is also a lamp (infused with honey). If a beehive is a lamp, and a lamp is a light, then since bees create beeswax, bees manufacture light.

Since bees do not manufacture light, an unlit candle is not a candle.

[lelopa]

a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...

If that’s the case, then a lump of wax is simply a candle without a wick. Thus, a lump of wax is a lamp, and a bee hive, because it is made of wax, is also a lamp (infused with honey). If a beehive is a lamp, and a lamp is a light, then since bees create beeswax, bees manufacture light.

Since bees do not manufacture light, an unlit candle is not a candle.

When I go to the store to buy a candle they sell me a candle .
They don't sell light.
The same with a lamp, a lightbulb, any lamp.
The light comes later when I use it as light dispenser....

[PadmaVonSamba]

a candle is even a candle when it is not set on fire...

If that’s the case, then a lump of wax is simply a candle without a wick. Thus, a lump of wax is a lamp, and a bee hive, because it is made of wax, is also a lamp (infused with honey). If a beehive is a lamp, and a lamp is a light, then since bees create beeswax, bees manufacture light.

Since bees do not manufacture light, an unlit candle is not a candle.

When I go to the store to buy a candle they sell me a candle .

But what makes it a candle, as opposed to being, say, dental floss?

They sell you a piece of wax with string in it.
Likewise, dental floss is string enclosed in wax.
But dental floss is not a candle. Why?
It’s merely called “candle”.
But it’s just composite phenomena.

But more to the point, anything set on fire, whether called a candle, a butter lamp, a Yule log, will produce light.

Anyway, whether a dharma name means light or if it means lamp, it’s referring to the action of emitting light.

[lelopa]

Anyway, whether a dharma name means light or if it means lamp, it’s referring to the action of emitting light.

Yes!
Or the action to make something bright, visible, clear.

Shed light on something

[James Sealy]

Anyway, whether a dharma name means light or if it means lamp, it’s referring to the action of emitting light.

Yes!
Or the action to make something bright, visible, clear.

Shed light on something

This lamp cannot be compared to a conventional known lamp with oil and a wick.
This lamp has self emergent light as energy.
The word lamp is used to give it an identity
It "shines"/ functions, without interruption since beginningless time
It makes outer visions possible, but also the kun gzhi with its nature.
A synonym for this lamp, only used in Bön, is tsön gang.

[lelopa]

Anyway, whether a dharma name means light or if it means lamp, it’s referring to the action of emitting light.

Yes!
Or the action to make something bright, visible, clear.

Shed light on something

This lamp cannot be compared to a conventional known lamp with oil and a wick.
This lamp has self emergent light as energy.
The word lamp is used to give it an identity
It "shines"/ functions, without interruption since beginningless time
It makes outer visions possible, but also the kun gzhi with its nature.
A synonym for this lamp, only used in Bön, is tsön gang.

Yes,
all this is not drön.

[James Sealy]

Yes!
Or the action to make something bright, visible, clear.

Shed light on something

This lamp cannot be compared to a conventional known lamp with oil and a wick.
This lamp has self emergent light as energy.
The word lamp is used to give it an identity
It "shines"/ functions, without interruption since beginningless time
It makes outer visions possible, but also the kun gzhi with its nature.
A synonym for this lamp, only used in Bön, is tsön gang.

Yes,
all this is not drön.

"
That what is here explained, like the tson gang is symbolic meant and there are many names for this "lamp".
Sure the name lamp is used sometimes, but also Bodhicitta (absolute), Sugatagarbha and Tathagatagarbha.
It dwells in the heart, as an entity.

Even the Thirthikas know this entity and well as Atman. For them it abides also in the heart.
In Tantra we also know a lotus seat with a sun and moon disk in the heart, where there is the Yidam seated.
With phowa we shoot something out via the heart.

So the heart is the seat of "something", with different explanations.
One thing is sure we cannot see it with our eyes.

[tibetanintraining]

Könchuk Rinchen Zangmo

Anyone have a translation for this? And can put it in Tibetan text for me? Thanks!

Rin

[Punya]

I'd say དཀོན་མཆོག་རིན་ཆེན་བཟང་མོ་ it's something like 'kind treasured jewel', where:

konchok - དཀོན་མཆོག་ = jewel
rinchen - རིན་ཆེན་ = treasure
zangmo - བཟང་མོ་ = kind [mo (མོ་) is the female form; po (པོ་) is the male form]

but happy to be corrected.