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Hello. It seems every book I get on Buddhism, I end up learning about a scandal that author was involved in. Culadasa, Suzuki’s center, etc. Who would you recommend to teach Buddhism and meditation that does not have scandal attached to them?
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Thishumanlife wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 1:25 pm Hello. It seems every book I get on Buddhism, I end up learning about a scandal that author was involved in. Culadasa, Suzuki’s center, etc. Who would you recommend to teach Buddhism and meditation that does not have scandal attached to them?
Scandal, abuse and conflict are part of pretty much any human group activity eventually, and are all over in spirituality. It might be better to learn about signs of abuse, group coercion etc. and simply steer clear of groups/teachers engaging in that stuff. if you listen to people who have been there/done that with high-demand groups, cults etc. there are some very specific emotional and personal vulnerabilities on the victim side, and some manipulative behaviors taking advantage of them on the teacher side.

Anecdotally, teachers who less concerned with fame often seem less likely to do these things to me, but of course there are also plenty of non-famous teacher involved in scandal. So, the bottom line to me is being aware of the teacher/group and red flags for abusive behavior.
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Some created a scandal about the Dalai Lama (I don't want to discuss that here), but he handled it exemplarily.
In my view, the Dalai Lama is beyond any scandal.
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In many cases, I agree with Johnny. Sometimes the best lamas for us personally is one who is not a big name and teaches more locally. I have met a few amazing and compassionate teachers this way, and besides after a point it is often important to be able to have personal dialogue.

Among the more famous teachers, Mingyur Rinpoche has been mentioned, I will add his older brother Chokyi Nyima Rinpoche also if you were looking for someone with online programs.

For me meeting my teachers sealed the deal so I could see how they interacted personally and you can usually get a sense of who is genuine.
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Honestly too many to list. The Lamas without a hint of scandal scandal far outnumber those with. If you just look at those who teach regularly in the west - Garchen R, the Sakya Gongma Trichen, Mingyur R, Chokyi Nyima R...plenty of options.
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Thishumanlife wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 1:25 pm Hello. It seems every book I get on Buddhism, I end up learning about a scandal that author was involved in. Culadasa, Suzuki’s center, etc. Who would you recommend to teach Buddhism and meditation that does not have scandal attached to them?
There are a lot more teachers, and very good ones out there, besides the handful who have had book deals. There are many lamas, for example, that almost nobody has ever heard of, except for the few dozen students they have.

I think there is something to the old line from the Tao Te Ching, “the master appears when the student is ready”. It’s your own practice which filters out the wrong teachers.

For example, if a person never digs deeper than the “affirmation” level dharma found in coffee-table books and quote-of-the-day desk calendars, then that’s going to be the teacher they need.
If someone explores all of the various Buddhist traditions and feels drawn to one, and searches the internet to find an affiliated Dharma center, they will get to that. And if it takes 10 years to find a teacher, it will very likely mean that the patience and other experience that one had developed by by waiting those 10 years will be exactly what is required in order to understand and practice the teachings once you have found the right teacher.

One may also go through many teachers until they get to the one with whom they really connect. And that’s the main thing. It’s not just about the teacher’s credentials. It’s not like finding an honest car mechanic. It’s about the connection itself between teacher and student.
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I have never heard a breath of scandal attached to Tsewang Dongyal Rinpoche. Plus, the books he and his brother authored on various Nyingmapa practices are very good.
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Thishumanlife wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 1:25 pm Hello. It seems every book I get on Buddhism, I end up learning about a scandal that author was involved in. Culadasa, Suzuki’s center, etc. Who would you recommend to teach Buddhism and meditation that does not have scandal attached to them?
just use your brain, mutual trust comes in due time after a long time of examinations.
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tingdzin wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:20 pm I have never heard a breath of scandal attached to Tsewang Dongyal Rinpoche. Plus, the books he and his brother authored on various Nyingmapa practices are very good.
I can second this. Also there is a lot of good advice in this thread so far.

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Always good to take time to thoroughly examine any potential teacher. Even if scandals haven’t hit public knowledge there could be ones simmering and about to boil. Ones that seem to brag about their own
qualities or seem eager to be on thrones or in full regalia,
seem to show lascivious extra attention with young attractive students, and/or have questionable authorization to teach from their own direct teachers: these are some red flags to invoke extra caution and scrutiny.
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Perhaps this may sound incredibly old fashioned and unrealistic. But I knew my primary teacher and studied at the sutra level with him for about a decade before I took a tantric initiation from him. There really is just no substitute for getting to know a teacher closely and having mutual examination. My experience thus aligns nicely with what jet.urgyen and PadmaVonSamba have said above.
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Would it count as scandalous to you if a teacher would practice mundane magic as described in the tantric scriptures?
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Adamantine wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 7:42 pm Always good to take time to thoroughly examine any potential teacher. Even if scandals haven’t hit public knowledge there could be ones simmering and about to boil. Ones that seem to brag about their own
qualities or seem eager to be on thrones or in full regalia,
seem to show lascivious extra attention with young attractive students, and/or have questionable authorization to teach from their own direct teachers: these are some red flags to invoke extra caution and scrutiny.
this.

i observed one of my gurus for 6 years, then for 1 year observed his relationship with his students. i was very happy then and i'm very happy now. best investment i have made is preciswly having that patience.
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Virgo wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 9:24 pm
tingdzin wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:20 pm I have never heard a breath of scandal attached to Tsewang Dongyal Rinpoche. Plus, the books he and his brother authored on various Nyingmapa practices are very good.
I can second this. Also there is a lot of good advice in this thread so far.

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When I was a kid, out of curiosity my friends and I would search phone books for unusual names and for fun sometimes we would call them (if you don’t know what a phone book is, ask your parents).
One time I found the listing, “Breath Of Scandal” and thinking it was the weirdest phrase, I called it and asked. When the woman on the other end finally realized I was just some dumb kid, she replied, “Okay honey… we’re an escort service!”
Years later I learned what that meant.
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 5:12 am When I was a kid, out of curiosity my friends and I would search phone books for unusual names and for fun sometimes we would call them (if you don’t know what a phone book is, ask your parents).
One time I found the listing, “Breath Of Scandal” and thinking it was the weirdest phrase, I called it and asked. When the woman on the other end finally realized I was just some dumb kid, she replied, “Okay honey… we’re an escort service!”
Years later I learned what that meant.
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Unless that's somewhere like Nevada, that really isn't the best choice they could have made given that it is, strictly speaking, illegal. And even if they didn't care about the illegality, from a marketing perspective, again probably not the smartest choice...
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jet.urgyen wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 11:53 pm
Adamantine wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 7:42 pm Always good to take time to thoroughly examine any potential teacher. Even if scandals haven’t hit public knowledge there could be ones simmering and about to boil. Ones that seem to brag about their own
qualities or seem eager to be on thrones or in full regalia,
seem to show lascivious extra attention with young attractive students, and/or have questionable authorization to teach from their own direct teachers: these are some red flags to invoke extra caution and scrutiny.
this.

i observed one of my gurus for 6 years, then for 1 year observed his relationship with his students. i was very happy then and i'm very happy now. best investment i have made is preciswly having that patience.
if i may insist, to observe and investigate beforehand in is a good thing.
true dharma is inexpressible.

The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
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