Breathing instructions during Song of Vajra according to ChNN

[Ati108]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice? I have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

[Johnny Dangerous]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice? I have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

Somewhere or other there is a version that shows the meter, but afaik you just breath as normal and relax with the Melody, no special breathing required.

[Ati108]

That's what I thought. Grazie Johnny!

[Sādhaka]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice?

Yes. And actually ChNNR said something about it that implied that he thought it was pretty important. I’m also thinking that he had written about it in his Song of the Vajra book (a book worth having if you’re a student of his; practically indispensable). I think that you should be able to order the book if you’ve received the Song of the Vajra only from Yeshi Namkhai as well.

have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

I could try to explain, if you want to send me a P.M.

[Malcolm]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice? I have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

The oral instruction is to breath where Rinpoche breaks the line. Coordinating your breath when singing SOV is very important in this practice.

[Johnny Dangerous]

I stand corrected, sorry for the bad info.

[jet.urgyen]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice? I have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

in the audio one can hear ChNNs breath/pause, there is the tempo also. that might do.

[Sādhaka]

Well, no need for you to P.M. me on this Ati108, as I’d invited you to in my previous post; because what Malcolm wrote sums it up.

[jet.urgyen]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice? I have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

There is the Umdze training that Adriano Clemente prepared, there is also what you ar looking for, and tempo, melody, etc.

[Johnny Dangerous]

I wonder if the Tun DvD is helpful here? Simply because one can go through SoV with Rinpoche, note the cadence, etc.

Also low barrier because if you have transmission, easy to obtain.

[jet.urgyen]

I wonder if the Tun DvD is helpful here? Simply because one can go through SoV with Rinpoche, note the cadence, etc.

Also low barrier because if you have transmission, easy to obtain.

It is, in deed.

[lelopa]

The breathing instructions are f.e. in the book "The Dzogchen Ritual Practices" [Kailash Editions] at page 91.

[Ati108]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice? I have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

The oral instruction is to breath where Rinpoche breaks the line. Coordinating your breath when singing SOV is very important in this practice.

What do you mean by breaks the line? Do you mean to follow the rhythm by listening to Rinpoche as other have suggested, or are you referring to line breaks according to how the written SOV text appears?

[Malcolm]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice? I have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

The oral instruction is to breath where Rinpoche breaks the line. Coordinating your breath when singing SOV is very important in this practice.

What do you mean by breaks the line? Do you mean to follow the rhythm by listening to Rinpoche as other have suggested, or are you referring to line breaks according to how the written SOV text appears?

The latter. When singing mantras, in the DC we always breathe where the mantra is broken. Same with SOV.

[jet.urgyen]

The breathing instructions are f.e. in the book "The Dzogchen Ritual Practices" [Kailash Editions] at page 91.

Thanks

[Tata1]

Are there any indications as to when exactly we should inhale and exhale during this practice? I have not found answers in DC materials. Thank you for any information on this.

In the resource page if the webcast there are different documents on where to breath during the melody. One is according to the vajra dance an the other more normal.timing

[lelopa]

Btw:
When and why changed "mashta valivali" to "masuta valivali" in the 2nd line of SoV?

[Ati108]

The oral instruction is to breath where Rinpoche breaks the line. Coordinating your breath when singing SOV is very important in this practice.

What do you mean by breaks the line? Do you mean to follow the rhythm by listening to Rinpoche as other have suggested, or are you referring to line breaks according to how the written SOV text appears?

The latter. When singing mantras, in the DC we always breathe where the mantra is broken. Same with SOV.

Thank you Malcolm! But in the new moon version of the Guru Rinpoche mantra ChNN specifies 1 breathe to be taken after the two lines disregarding the line break in the written text. By contrast, for the full moon mantra there are 2 breaths (which I think accords with what you are saying). Hence my confusion about using the written text as a guide for when to breathe.

[Malcolm]

What do you mean by breaks the line? Do you mean to follow the rhythm by listening to Rinpoche as other have suggested, or are you referring to line breaks according to how the written SOV text appears?

The latter. When singing mantras, in the DC we always breathe where the mantra is broken. Same with SOV.

Thank you Malcolm! But in the new moon version of the Guru Rinpoche mantra ChNN specifies 1 breathe to be taken after the two lines disregarding the line break in the written text. By contrast, for the full moon mantra there are 2 breaths (which I think accords with what you are saying). Hence my confusion about using the written text as a guide for when to breathe.

No, the thodtremgtsal mantra is also broken at thodtrengtsal, breath, vajra samaya…to end, breathe, om ah…. Etc.

Likewise the waxing moon mantra is broken at padma.

Same the ngagong, etc.

[Sādhaka]

Just a minor transliteration variation, I think.

No need to get too caught up on it.