KeithA wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:19 pm
Giovanni wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:52 pm
KeithA wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:18 pm
Meat or alcohol are not allowed in our (zen) centers. This is true of all Chogye (Korean) temples, and since that is our root tradition, we do the same.
And we shoukd respect that tradition while at the same time recognising that it is not a tradition held universally in Buddhadharma. In many schools of the Vajrayana for example both alcohol and meat are seen as essential items in certain practises. And that is not typical of all Buddhadharma either.
Hmm...never said it was universal. I just answered the question.
There can be no debate that a world without meat eating would be a better place, however. That's coming from a non-vegetarian.
Out of genuine curiosity, I would be interested to hear from any traditions where meat is served during retreats, or even during Sangha get togethers/celebrations.
I’m not sure a world with no humans eating meat is possible, or even worth working towards. To me a more general ecological and economic change wrt to industrial agriculture is probably a saner idea. It’s not just about whether or not humans eat meat, but the fact that economic growth is connected to a rise in human meat consumption and just how much that consumption has gone up.
In that sense, the people looking at the problem through a lens of sustainability, food systems etc.probably have a better grasp of the problem than people who advocate certain individual diets…which sorry to say really is a privilege one only acquires by living in a society with a huge abundance of food choices and a certain amount of insulation from how others have to live wrt food.
Focusing on individual meat consumption is diagnostic of the problem itself, which is systemic, and not primarily individual. People believing it’s a problem solvable through individual diets are engaging in a particular kind of magical thinking, similar to believing that drug abuse can be solved simply by individuals modifying behavior, being locked up, etc.
We have enough evidence now to know how naive that sort of approach is by looking at other areas of society, the theoretical idea of a meat free future driven by consumer choice is kind of absurd, in my opinion.
Don’t you see what’s wrong with the world today? Oh Everybody wants somebody to be their own piece of clay.