Buddhism before Gautama Buddha

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Buddhism before Gautama Buddha

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Is it true that in history (earth's civilization) there was no one on any stage of enlightenment (at least stream entrance) before Gautama? No buddha, no sangha, no dharma, so how can stream entrance come?
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Mhmm.

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There have been many Buddhas before the Shakyamuni Buddha.

It's just that the Shakya-Muni is considered to be the current Uttamanirmankaya out of the One-Thousand-and-Two within the current eon.
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Jokingfish wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:42 pm Is it true that in history (earth's civilization) there was no one on any stage of enlightenment (at least stream entrance) before Gautama? No buddha, no sangha, no dharma, so how can stream entrance come?
There were pratyekabuddhas.
Vases, canvas, bucklers, armies, forests, garlands, trees
houses, chariots, hostelries, and all such things
that common people designate dependent on their parts,
accept as such. For Buddha did not quarrel with the world!

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Jokingfish wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:42 pm Is it true that in history (earth's civilization) there was no one on any stage of enlightenment (at least stream entrance) before Gautama? No buddha, no sangha, no dharma, so how can stream entrance come?
What does “so how can stream entrance come?” mean? Isn’t that like asking how anything is discovered if it hadn’t been before?
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Gautama Buddha did not invent or fabricated nature. Different methods came out of experiencing nature like it is, while "seeing" all is like that but there is temporary confusion.

Since he did not fabricate "a nature", what was there before? When confusion fades by a method, how can there be something new in some level?
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Even in the Pali canon there're previous buddhas like Kassapa.

In Mahayana more of them...

Kassapa Buddha (Pāli), known as Kāśyapa (काश्यप) in Sanskrit, is one of the ancient Buddhas whose biography is chronicled in chapter 24[1] of the Buddhavaṃsa, one of the books of the Pali Canon. He was the last Buddha before the "historical" Gautama Buddha, though living long before him.

According to Theravāda Buddhist tradition, Kassapa is the twenty-seventh of the twenty-nine named Buddhas, the sixth of the Seven Buddhas of Antiquity, and the third of the five Buddhas of the present kalpa.[2]
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In Mahavastu some 500 previous Buddhas are mentioned by name, Chapter XV - The eighth Bhūmi:

"When this had been said, the venerable Mahā-Kāśyapa asked the venerable Mahā-Kātyāyana, “O son of the Conqueror, what were the names of the Buddhas under whom the Exalted One, the Buddha Śākyamuni, acquired merit while he was advancing from the first to the seventh bhūmi?”

The venerable Mahā-Kātyāyana replied, “Hear, my pious friend, the names of the powerful and renowned Buddhas, under whom this Exalted One of the Śākyan royal family acquired the root of virtue. First there was Satyadharmavipulakīrti, then Sukīrti, Lokābharaṇa, Vidyutprabha, Indratejas, Brahmakīrti, Vasundhara, Supārśva, Anupavadya, Sujyeṣṭha, Sṛṣṭarūpa, Praśastaguṇarāśi, Meghasvara, Hemavarṇa, Sundaravarṇa, Mṛgarājaghoṣa, Āśukārin, Dhṛtarāṣṭragati, Lokābhilāṣita, Jitaśatru, Supūjita, Yaśarāśi, Amitatejas, Sūryagupta, Candrabhānu, Niścitārtha, Kusumagupta, Padmābha, Prabhaṃkara, Dīptatejas, Satvarājan, Gajadeva, Kuñjaragati, Sughoṣa, Samabuddhi, Hemavarṇalambadāma, Kusumadāma, Ratnadāma, Alaṃkṛta, Vimukta, Ṛṣabhagāmin, Ṛṣabha, Devasiddhayātra, Supātra, Sarvabandha, Ratnamakuṭa, Citramakuṭa, Sumakuṭa, Varamakuṭa, Calamakuṭa, Vimalamakuṭa, Lokaṃdhara, Vipulojas, Aparibhinna, Puṇḍarīkanetra, Sarvasaha, Brahmagupta, Subrahma, Amaradeva, Arimardana, Candrapadma, Candrābha, Candratejas, Susoma, Samudrabuddhi, Ratanaśṛṅga, Sucandradṛṣṭi, Hemakroḍa, Abhinnarāṣṭra, Avikṣiptāṃśa, Puraṃdara, Puṇyadatta, Haladhara, Ṛṣabhanetra, Varabāhu, Yaśodatta, Kamalākṣa, Dṛṣṭaśakti Naraṃpravāha, Pranaṣṭadukkha, Samadṛṣṭi, Dṛdhadeva, Yaśaketu, Citracchada, Cārucchada, Lokaparitrātar, Dukkhamukta, Rāṣṭradeva, Rudradeva, Bhadragupta, Udāgata, Askhalitapravarāgra, Dhanunāśa, Dharmagupta, Devagupta, Śucigātra, and Praheti.These form the first hundred of the host of Āryans.

“Then there were the Buddhas Dharmadhātu, Guṇaketu, Jñānaketu, Satyaketu, Puṣpaketu, Vajrasaṃghāta, Dṛḍhahanu, Dṛḍhasandhi, Atyuccagāmin, Vigataśatru, Citramāla, Urdhvasadhni, Guṇagupta, Ṛṣigupta, Pralambabāhu, Ṛṣideva, Sunetra, Sāgaradharapuruṣa, Sulocana, Ajitacakra, Unnata, Ajitapuṣyala, Purāṣa, Maṅgalya, Subhuja, Siṃhatejas, Tṛptavasantagandha, Avadyaparamabuddhi, Nakṣatrarāja, Bahurāṣṭra, Āryākṣa, Sugupti, Prakāśavarṇa, Samṛddharāṣṭra, Kīrtanīya, Dṛḍhaśakti, Harṣadatta, Yaśadatta, Nāgabāhu, Vigatareṇu, Śāntareṇu, Dānapraguru, Udattavarṇa, Balabāhu, Amitaujas, Dhṛtarāṣṭra, Devalokābhilāṣita, Pratyagrarūpa, Devarājagupta, Dāmodara, Dharmarāja, Caturasravadana, Yojanābha, Padmoṣṇīṣa, Sphutavikrama, Rājahaṃsagāmin, Svalakṣanamaṇḍita, Śiticūḍa, Maṇimakuṭa, Praśastavarṇa, Devābharaṇa, Kalpaduṣyagupta, Sādhurūpa, Akṣatabuddhi, Lokapadma, Gambhīrabuddhi, Śakrabhānu, Indradhvaja, Dānavakula, Manuṣyadeva, Manuṣyadatta, Somacchatra, Ādityadatta, Yāmagupta, Nakṣatragupta, Sumitrarūpa, Satyabhānu, Puṣyagupta, Vṛhaspatigupta, Gagaṇagāmin, Śubhanātha, Suvarṇa, Kanakākṣa, Prasannabuddhi, Avipranaṣṭarāṣṭra, Udagragāmin, Śubhadanta, Suvimaladanta, Suvadana, Kulanandana, Janakṣatriya, Lokakṣatriya, Anantagupta, Dharmagupta, Sūkṣmavastra. These form the second hundred of Āryans.

“Then there were the Buddhas Pratyāsannabuddhi, Satvasaha, Manuṣyanāga, Upasena, Suvarṇacārin, Prabhūtavarṇa, Subhikṣākānta, Bhikṣudeva, Prabuddhaśīla, Nahīnagarbha, Anālambha, Ratanamudra, Hārabhūṣita, Prasiddhavedana, Sugandhivastra, Suvijṛmbhita, Amitalocana, Udāttakīrti, Sāgararāja, Mṛgadeva, Kusumahestha, Ratnaśṛṅga, Citravarṇa, Padmarajavarṇa, Samantagandha, Udāragupta, Praśāntaroga, Pradakṣinārtha, Saṃkṣiptabuddhi, Anantacchatra, Yojanasahasradarśin, Utpalapadmanetra, Atipuruṣa, Anivartikabala, Svaguṇaśākha, Saṃcitora, Mahārāja, Cārucaraṇa, Prasiddharaṅga, Trimaṅgala, Suvarṇasena, Vartitārtha, Asaṃkīrṇa, Devagarbha, Suprītyarati, Vimānarājan, Parimaṇḍanārtha, Devasatva, Vipulatarāṃśa, Salīlagajagāmin, Virūḍhabhūmi."

This list of previous Buddhas continues in the Chapter XVI - The ninth Bhūmi https://www.wisdomlib.org/buddhism/book ... 34304.html
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