Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha in Tantric practice?

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Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha in Tantric practice?

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Are there higher Tantras revolving around Avalokiteshvara. Amitabha or the form of Shakyamuni? Like there is the Kalachakra Tantra revolving around the Kalachakra deity, and the Chakrasamvara Tantra revolving the deity Chakrasamvara.

Is there the equivalent to other more well known deities like Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha? A higher annutarayoga tantra or highest tantra revolving around these Buddhas or others like Tara or Manjushri?

Or is the practice revolving for instance say Avalokiteshvara only limited to sutra and dharani pracrice, and maximally to some "lesser" tantras?

Is there a system/tradition that brings about buddhahood on revolving deep Avalokiteshvara practice?

Thank you in advance.
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Actual Tantras I’m not sure, but there are anuttara and anuyoga sadhanas involving them.

I had a long group conversation with a Khenpo once about the main Chenrezig practice I am familiar with in the Sakya tradition, and he concluded it was annutarayoga. I am also familiar with an anuyoga Chenrezig practice ChNN transmitted.

At least in Sakya I don’t think these practices are as high -in practice- as Hevajra, etc. though.

In my experience there is also not always a clear answer, no uniform agreement among teachers as to which class of Tantra a given practice belongs, ymmv.
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There are termas around Chenrezig.
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nomono wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:35 pm Are there higher Tantras revolving around Avalokiteshvara. Amitabha or the form of Shakyamuni? Like there is the Kalachakra Tantra revolving around the Kalachakra deity, and the Chakrasamvara Tantra revolving the deity Chakrasamvara.

Is there the equivalent to other more well known deities like Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha? A higher annutarayoga tantra or highest tantra revolving around these Buddhas or others like Tara or Manjushri?

Or is the practice revolving for instance say Avalokiteshvara only limited to sutra and dharani pracrice, and maximally to some "lesser" tantras?

Is there a system/tradition that brings about buddhahood on revolving deep Avalokiteshvara practice?

Thank you in advance.
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For his wrathful and peaceful form merge together, it will be the Vajrabhairava's Three Rounds of tantra, belongs to the father HYT.
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Re: Avalokiteshvara or Amitabha in Tantric practice?

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Avalokiteshvara Jinasagara is HYT and there are several lineages of practice relating to this deity. There are other, less common forms of HYT Avalokiteshvara as well.

Karma Chagme’s Amitabha terma is also HYT.
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