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don't know is better than awareness

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don't know is better than awareness (mindfulness, attention, etc.)

what do you think?
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Edit:

I didn’t notice the sub-forum at first; but my statement still stands.

“You’ve basically just asked about the crux of Dzogchen.

“Better to find a qualified Guru/Lama and ask them.”
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I don’t know…
EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
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not knowing (don't know) is what is behind the thinking (thought). where the reality lays of the land of truths.
so there, you do all in being no-aware of what you are doing. as when you think it is too late and miss the point.
and couldn't enter the second base of 'pure land'.

that's what ı'm thinking.

better to cleanse all ..

once you enter no need to take notes not even need to remember anything. and even turn back.

there is the way but not the map.

so, everything [is] in this perspective!
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Maybe it depends on what "don't know" means.
Dull, 'not-knowing' could be the stupor of ignorance or the adsorptions of the formless gods in the arupadhatu.
"Death's second name is 'omnipresent.' On the relative truth it seems we become separate. But on the absolute there is no separation." Lama Dawa
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It's just for a beginning. I know that it will lead to MINDFULLNESS.
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Embracing "don't know" is itself a form of awareness. ?

Shaun :namaste:
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zerwe wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:03 pm Embracing "don't know" is itself a form of awareness. ?

Shaun :namaste:

That mind!
empty mind
do not be aware
don’t know
This is my religion!

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Look up “Only Don’t Know” practice associated with the Korean Zen master Seung Shan.
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:06 pm Look up “Only Don’t Know” practice associated with the Korean Zen master Seung Shan.
had read some last year. he has sharp words, too
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Zen master Seung Shan
He must have been a wonderful Master.
not knowing (don't know) is what is behind the thinking (thought). where the reality lays of the land of truths.
:smile: I think therefore I am. But if you are not thinking, what?
If you are thinking, you can't understand Zen. Anything that can be written in a book, anything that can be said - all this is thinking . . .Seung Sahn.
This means not complete absence of knowing, but absence of the constructed knowledge, our habitual thinking.
It is said that the difference between buddhas and sentient beings is like the difference between the narrowness and the openness of space. Sentient beings are like the space held within a tightly closed fist, while buddhas are fully open, all-encompassing.

Basic space and awareness are innately all-encompassing. Basic space is the absence of mental constructs, while awareness is the 'knowing' of this absence of constructs, recognizing the complete emptiness of mind essence. Space and awareness are inherently indivisible.
Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche.https://www.lionsroar.com/without-center-or-limit/
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muni wrote: Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:54 pm
not knowing (don't know) is what is behind the thinking (thought). where the reality lays of the land of truths.
:smile: I think therefore I am. But if you are not thinking, what?
memory remains

(another Metallica song) 😀
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If there would be no wiseman, that is for sure that there will be an absolute chaos in the world!
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master of puppets wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:14 pm don't know is better than awareness (mindfulness, attention, etc.)

what do you think?
I would relate "don't know" to "beginners mind". Reality is a constant advance into novelty and carrying all our "answers" and "conclusions" and other varied baggage causes us to miss the "novelty" and see only ourselves.

I've just posted elsewhere some words of Joshu......

Remake what has gone by and work with what comes. If you don’t remake, you are stuck deeply somewhere.

So maybe not so much a case of "don't know" but of remaking, creating afresh. Becoming.

The Pure Land myokonin Saichi, a cobbler by trade, wrote in his Journal:-

Not knowing why, not knowing why. That is my support, not knowing why. That is the namu-amida-butsu

"Love has no why" says Meister Eckhart.

What are we "aware" of? Ask a master some say.
Protecting oneself one protects others
Protecting others one protects oneself
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No mind is (a state?) behind thoughts, i heard that everything is awareness? :) can anyone spear some light especially on what is awareness?

Ty.
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