czd wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:02 pm
Malcolm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:32 pm
However, not all teachers will accept this as sufficient, this is why you must ask the organizers if it is sufficient. Some teachers consider a direct introduction to only apply to trekchod, not thogal. I am quite certain (since he is my teacher) that Khenpo Namdrol only wants people who have received empowerments like any of the four Nyinthig empowerments, the empowerments of the Gongpa Zangthal, Thigle Gyacan, Chetsun Nyinthig, the Rig pa'i rtsal dbang from Ye she Bla ma, and so on. Basically, empowerments that are based on the man ngag sde tantras.
Thank you for clarifying what will be required for this lung. We appreciate your expertise, as a newcomer this is can be confusing.
Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I think this would help a number of us here. In a recent retreat others have mentioned in this thread, poti wang + ngo trod was given (confirmed by the organization). I clearly remember the translator using the words "extremely unelaborate empowerment" during the wang. Is it that a variation of the poti wang?
Are you referring to Chakung Jigme Wangdruk Rinpoche? He gave the bundle of texts empowerments for the Dudjom Sungbum, to enable people to read and practice the contents of the Dudjom Tersar, which also counts as the ripening empowerment. He then gave the liberating instructions in the form of pointing out and specific practice instructions.
His intention was to allow people to engage in the practices that he shared from the DT. This isn’t the same as what Khenpo Namdrol had in mind for the qualifications for this. Now, is it commensurate in level? Sure, since we could not say that the texts of the Dudjom Tersar are lesser in terms of the nature of the instructions and the level of practice. But I’m certain if you asked either teacher they would say that receiving the former doesn’t qualify you to receive the latter. Both are excellent teachers, btw.
Basically these things are dealer’s choice. You need to receive teachings in the confidence that you are following as closely as possible the wishes of the lama giving you the teaching. It would be extremely inauspicious to try to do an end-run around the wishes that the lama had expressed.