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Queequeg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:07 pm The insistence on formality and weighing the karma, etc. etc. that's all well and good, but also can have the effect of snuffing all the joy and spontaneity from the practice.
That's the main purpose of dharmawheel.
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This stupa conflict illustrates why DW is not a substitute for a teacher that one trusts with these kinds of questions.
"...if you think about how many hours, months and years of your life you've spent looking at things, being fascinated by things that have now passed away, then how wonderful to spend even five minutes looking into the nature of your own mind."

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Johnny Dangerous wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:21 pm
Queequeg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:19 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:16 pm Right well, it is no more a part of you than it is of a "convert".
What would be the acceptable terminology to identify the distinction?
I don't care how you say stuff, I'm just not accepting an argument based on the idea that an individuals Karmic disposition towards Dharma makes Asian people somehow "more capable" Dharma-wise.

There is more than enough of that kind of attitude in some circles, and I think it's the last thing people should be advocating for..that's why I piped up. I mean, you do you, but I'm not buying a claim like that.
Yeah, otherwise everybody in Afghanistan would still be Buddhists.
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Johnny Dangerous wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:25 pm This stupa conflict illustrates why DW is not a substitute for a teacher that one trusts with these kinds of questions.
...which is why I said to consult with a teacher, and why I shared things taught by my teacher.
And that is the opposite of “oh don’t be so elitist with all your rules and stuff”.
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:27 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:25 pm This stupa conflict illustrates why DW is not a substitute for a teacher that one trusts with these kinds of questions.
...which is why I said to consult with a teacher, and why I shared things taught by my teacher.
So did I. My teachers talk about this kind of stuff in the seeming opposite way as yours do. That's the trouble with trying to get "official" answers for Buddhism from a forum.
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Johnny Dangerous wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:29 pm
PadmaVonSamba wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:27 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:25 pm This stupa conflict illustrates why DW is not a substitute for a teacher that one trusts with these kinds of questions.
...which is why I said to consult with a teacher, and why I shared things taught by my teacher.
So did I. My teachers talk about this kind of stuff in the seeming opposite way as yours do. That's the trouble with trying to get "official" answers for Buddhism from a forum.
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Johnny Dangerous wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:21 pm
Queequeg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:19 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:16 pm Right well, it is no more a part of you than it is of a "convert".
What would be the acceptable terminology to identify the distinction?
I don't care how you say stuff, I'm just not accepting an argument based on the idea that an individuals Karmic disposition towards Dharma makes Asian people somehow "more capable" Dharma-wise.
I didn't say that. How many ways can I say this?

I have friends who are 100% non-Asian, who have grown up in a Buddhist community. There's a palpable difference when a person grows up trying to reconcile the world they live in from the beginning with notions like karma, rebirth, Dharma, than when they grow up trying to reconcile it with atoms and photons, or alternatively, God and personal relationships with Jesus.

You guys are the ones who glommed onto a part of a comment and just saw red and apparently can't get off of it. That's your problem, not mine.

I don't need an answer to this, but consider how your life would have been had your parents been devout, practicing Buddhists, as your grandparents, as your aunts and uncles, and your neighbors. If you don't think it would have made a lick of difference in who you are, then we'll just have to leave it at that.
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About being born into Buddhist family.. one of my teachers said, more or less..”No one is born Buddhist, and no one is born into a Buddhist family..if our karma is right we meet Dharma. If not we don’t”...something like that.
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