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I've begin daily cleansing of mind slowly.
my question is,
Is everything (from simple issues to ordinary events) about my mind cleansing?
Would this kind of perception be true?
my question is,
Is everything (from simple issues to ordinary events) about my mind cleansing?
Would this kind of perception be true?
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What is ‘cleansing of mind’ , cleansing the mind?
What does that mean?
I’ve never heard of it.
What does that mean?
I’ve never heard of it.
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It is letting nothing in mind except the mind.PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:30 pm What is ‘cleansing of mind’ , cleansing the mind?
What does that mean?
I’ve never heard of it.
I have accept this as the teaching and finally have been began practicing today.
It was a weak day of the first day practicing. Easyly run into thoughts and get lost.
Tomorrow will begin early and in more willing.
Also try to expand the whole day.
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Better take little steps, if it's new for you. Maybe your strategy has to be adjusted. Who gave this practice to you? Is there a lineage and a blessing?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:21 pmIt is letting nothing in mind except the mind.PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:30 pm What is ‘cleansing of mind’ , cleansing the mind?
What does that mean?
I’ve never heard of it.
I have accept this as the teaching and finally have been began practicing today.
It was a weak day of the first day practicing. Easyly run into thoughts and get lost.
Tomorrow will begin early and in more willing.
Also try to expand the whole day.
This is regarded as very important in all buddhist traditions. Everyone wants to know, if it comes from the Buddha eventually. Otherwise you should not waste your time on it.
The teaching has to be genuine, otherwise it can be unhealthy. Especially don't teach it to others.
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No, imo it would not be a true perception of Buddhist practice. It would be a mistake, again imo, to decide to start a practice without a teacher's guidance, especially when many more teachers are now available online, due to Covid.master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:21 pm I've begin daily cleansing of mind slowly.
my question is,
Is everything (from simple issues to ordinary events) about my mind cleansing?
Would this kind of perception be true?
Yes, You Need a Teacher.
Pro and con discussion.
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What exactly do you think "isn't mind" that you need to exclude or cleanse?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:21 pmIt is letting nothing in mind except the mind.PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:30 pm What is ‘cleansing of mind’ , cleansing the mind?
What does that mean?
I’ve never heard of it.
I have accept this as the teaching and finally have been began practicing today.
It was a weak day of the first day practicing. Easyly run into thoughts and get lost.
Tomorrow will begin early and in more willing.
Also try to expand the whole day.
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when afflicted by disease
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Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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I have no teacher except you.Ayu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:35 pmBetter take little steps, if it's new for you. Maybe your strategy has to be adjusted. Who gave this practice to you? Is there a lineage and a blessing?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:21 pmIt is letting nothing in mind except the mind.PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:30 pm What is ‘cleansing of mind’ , cleansing the mind?
What does that mean?
I’ve never heard of it.
I have accept this as the teaching and finally have been began practicing today.
It was a weak day of the first day practicing. Easyly run into thoughts and get lost.
Tomorrow will begin early and in more willing.
Also try to expand the whole day.
This is regarded as very important in all buddhist traditions. Everyone wants to know, if it comes from the Buddha eventually. Otherwise you should not waste your time on it.
The teaching has to be genuine, otherwise it can be unhealthy. Especially don't teach it to others.
Reading over 20 years and finally begin practicing.
Oxherding is my road map, and emptying the mind 7/24 is my final goal.
I read and think enough.
Time to take steps,
I have famous masters lesson to me, still reading them.
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Good question. I just begin today. I guess you mean the work should not be like a work.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:23 pmWhat exactly do you think "isn't mind" that you need to exclude or cleanse?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:21 pmIt is letting nothing in mind except the mind.PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:30 pm What is ‘cleansing of mind’ , cleansing the mind?
What does that mean?
I’ve never heard of it.
I have accept this as the teaching and finally have been began practicing today.
It was a weak day of the first day practicing. Easyly run into thoughts and get lost.
Tomorrow will begin early and in more willing.
Also try to expand the whole day.
I'll try. But when a thought appears I feel uncomfortable.
Because I get lost.
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Suppressing thoughts is not meditation, and in fact is a really bad idea, generally speaking. If you want to look for Mahayana instruction in working with antidotes that might be good for when you have disturbing thoughts. You might look at some Lojong teachings, or just read Santideva.master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:35 pmGood question. I just begin today. I guess you mean the work should not be like a work.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:23 pmWhat exactly do you think "isn't mind" that you need to exclude or cleanse?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:21 pm
It is letting nothing in mind except the mind.
I have accept this as the teaching and finally have been began practicing today.
It was a weak day of the first day practicing. Easyly run into thoughts and get lost.
Tomorrow will begin early and in more willing.
Also try to expand the whole day.
I'll try. But when a thought appears I feel uncomfortable.
Because I get lost.
That said, "thoughts" are not different from "mind", any attempt to suppress them should only be a part of a skillful means, such as practicing concentrated meditation or applying antidotes. Literally trying to not think them is impossible, and will only increase your neuroses.
Producing thoughts is what minds do, wanting your mind to be a blank slate is a kind of fault of and within itself. Of course you can experience moments of stillness that can be quite wonderful, but the goal of Buddhist meditation is to stop grasping after thoughts and phenomena, not to make them go away or hide from them.
Trying to hide from disturbing emotions and thoughts ends up being what is sometimes termed "spiritual bypassing" and is a way of hiding under the guise of spirituality. Instead, in Buddhist meditation the basic goal of Shamatha is be able to see thoughts etc. nakedly, as they are and to let them pass without doing anything. The mind will quiet naturally, but not because you are pushing it around.
I think you should find a formal teacher, or at least just find a reputable meditation teacher on YouTube whose instructions you can follow.
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when afflicted by disease
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Thank you. Hope my practice will evolve in that direction.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:44 pmSuppressing thoughts is not meditation, and in fact is a really bad idea, generally speaking. If you want to look for Mahayana instruction in working with antidotes that might be good for when you have disturbing thoughts. You might look at some Lojong teachings, or just read Santideva.master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:35 pmGood question. I just begin today. I guess you mean the work should not be like a work.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:23 pm
What exactly do you think "isn't mind" that you need to exclude or cleanse?
I'll try. But when a thought appears I feel uncomfortable.
Because I get lost.
That said, "thoughts" are not different from "mind", any attempt to suppress them should only be a part of a skillful means, such as practicing concentrated meditation or applying antidotes. Literally trying to not think them is impossible, and will only increase your neuroses.
Producing thoughts is what minds do, wanting your mind to be a blank slate is a kind of fault of and within itself. Of course you can experience moments of stillness that can be quite wonderful, but the goal of Buddhist meditation is to stop grasping after thoughts and phenomena, not to make them go away or hide from them.
I think you should find a formal teacher, or at least just find a reputable meditation teacher on YouTube whose instructions you can follow.
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It is possible that the half of the chinese masters have lesson to me. by dailyzen and others.master of puppets wrote: I have famous masters lesson to me, still reading them.
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Are these masters actually teaching you to try to get rid of thoughts, or is it possible you are just reading them that way?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:55 pmIt is possible that the half of the chinese masters have lesson to me. by dailyzen and others.master of puppets wrote: I have famous masters lesson to me, still reading them.
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when afflicted by disease
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... -bypassing
Obviously this is just an article from the perspective of Western Pysch.
So basically, even from a conventional perspective, if you cannot simply experience thoughts and emotions without attachment or aversion, you will run into trouble.
Here's the guy who coined the phrase:
https://www.johnwelwood.com/articles/TR ... _uncut.pdf
Of course I'm not saying anyone in particular is doing this, but if you approach meditation as way to escape thoughts, rather than to escape grasping, I believe it can quickly turn into this.
Obviously this is just an article from the perspective of Western Pysch.
So basically, even from a conventional perspective, if you cannot simply experience thoughts and emotions without attachment or aversion, you will run into trouble.
Here's the guy who coined the phrase:
https://www.johnwelwood.com/articles/TR ... _uncut.pdf
Of course I'm not saying anyone in particular is doing this, but if you approach meditation as way to escape thoughts, rather than to escape grasping, I believe it can quickly turn into this.
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Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Just want my mind to be like a mirror.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:00 pmAre these masters actually teaching you to try to get rid of thoughts, or is it possible you are just reading them that way?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:55 pmIt is possible that the half of the chinese masters have lesson to me. by dailyzen and others.master of puppets wrote: I have famous masters lesson to me, still reading them.
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A mirror continually reflects. In fact, without anything to reflect, it does not have the function of a mirror.master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:09 pmJust want my mind to be like a mirror.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:00 pmAre these masters actually teaching you to try to get rid of thoughts, or is it possible you are just reading them that way?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:55 pm
It is possible that the half of the chinese masters have lesson to me. by dailyzen and others.
Appearance and emptiness are a union.
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when afflicted by disease
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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When do you find time for coopering?master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 10:21 am ...these days listening 3 hours Trance Music & 3 hours Gothic Metal (alternating & recycled)
and sometimes Russian Rock (when happy )
In the past, either here or on Zenspace, I think you have worked the topic of starting a practice quite thoroughly, apparently to no avail. Is this going to start all over again? Sounds like you may still already have what amounts to your own cleansing practice (Gothic/Trance) . . .
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Please don't judge me. A helping hand worth everything.reiun wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:38 pmmaster of puppets wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 10:21 am ...these days listening 3 hours Trance Music & 3 hours Gothic Metal (alternating & recycled)
and sometimes Russian Rock (when happy )
When do you find time for coopering?
In the past, either here or on Zenspace, I think you have worked the topic of starting a practice quite thoroughly, apparently to no avail. Is this going to start all over again? Sounds like you may still already have what amounts to your own cleansing practice (Gothic/Trance) . . .
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The helping hand, in comments above, and plenty of times before has been: first, develop a relationship with a teacher, then, second, develop a practice based on the teaching.master of puppets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:22 pm Please don't judge me. A helping hand worth everything.
Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:44 pm I think you should find a formal teacher, or at least just find a reputable meditation teacher on YouTube whose instructions you can follow.
This is backwards.
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My job is about empty mind the rest doesn't interest me.
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Empty mind, that is "cleansing" the mind as you have described it, has nothing to do with Buddhism.master of puppets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:22 pm My job is about empty mind the rest doesn't interest me.
You are on the wrong forum.