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gektor colors and ornaments
is it better if gektor have certain color and/or ornament? i'm using this oftend so maybe i can improove my oat's flour gektor.
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
just asnwered: red, flower.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:57 am is it better if gektor have certain color and/or ornament? i'm using this oftend so maybe i can improove my oat's flour gektor.
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
There is more to it than that:javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:52 amjust asnwered: red, flower.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:57 am is it better if gektor have certain color and/or ornament? i'm using this oftend so maybe i can improove my oat's flour gektor.
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
i just saw it. thanks a lot magnus, 27:50 for gektor.heart wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:48 amThere is more to it than that:javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:52 amjust asnwered: red, flower.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:57 am is it better if gektor have certain color and/or ornament? i'm using this oftend so maybe i can improove my oat's flour gektor.
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
Different terma cycles have different shaped and ornamented gektors. So you should use the one from the terma cycle you are practicing (unless your Teacher has a specific style and always uses that one style).
IME. this is the kind of thing that needs to be learned from your Teacher directly.
IME. this is the kind of thing that needs to be learned from your Teacher directly.
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never received such instructions but have just a few seconds of gektor example in a video. the practice is a a changchog extension composed by my teache tahe we use in the shitro from mingyur dorje we -idc- do, very concise.pemachophel wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:52 pm Different terma cycles have different shaped and ornamented gektors. So you should use the one from the terma cycle you are practicing (unless your Teacher has a specific style and always uses that one style).
IME. this is the kind of thing that needs to be learned from your Teacher directly.
the example is quite simple and similar to the one made by Lama Tarchin in the video that Magnus posted.
i think maybe i could improove the effect if something a bit more elaborate is used. would be?
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
Looking at the video, Lama Tharchin's gektor is one of numerous variations (that I have seen) on this general idea.
If one doesn't know how to make a specific torma, one can always use a cookie or small cake or even just a small plate or bowl of rice. It is the visualization that is most important.
As an extension of that last thought, each element of the torma has a meaning or represents something. For instance, the chang-bu around the base represents a spinal column, while the small lamp is a knuckle bone filled with human fat. Ideally, one should know these meanings and not just copy the shapes. Unfrotunately these days, it seems like so much of the Vajrayana Dharma is being lost.
If one doesn't know how to make a specific torma, one can always use a cookie or small cake or even just a small plate or bowl of rice. It is the visualization that is most important.
As an extension of that last thought, each element of the torma has a meaning or represents something. For instance, the chang-bu around the base represents a spinal column, while the small lamp is a knuckle bone filled with human fat. Ideally, one should know these meanings and not just copy the shapes. Unfrotunately these days, it seems like so much of the Vajrayana Dharma is being lost.
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
It goes in cycles. With great Karma comes great Mara. Or whatever is brought together, also falls apart.pemachophel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:47 pm Unfrotunately these days, it seems like so much of the Vajrayana Dharma is being lost.
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but lama pema, why is then that one can use a cookie or a muffin or a banana, etc., but can't make a little bit different doug form of gektor? i really wonder.pemachophel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:47 pm Looking at the video, Lama Tharchin's gektor is one of numerous variations (that I have seen) on this general idea.
If one doesn't know how to make a specific torma, one can always use a cookie or small cake or even just a small plate or bowl of rice. It is the visualization that is most important.
As an extension of that last thought, each element of the torma has a meaning or represents something. For instance, the chang-bu around the base represents a spinal column, while the small lamp is a knuckle bone filled with human fat. Ideally, one should know these meanings and not just copy the shapes. Unfrotunately these days, it seems like so much of the Vajrayana Dharma is being lost.
however, i have the precise form that my teacher used in the changchog rite, and i will use that, is really similar to the one showed by Lama Tarchin. I think i had good luck seeing both versions, i think i learned something very useful.
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
Did that come with the burning of the names? I mean I can dig through my stuff and answer myself, but if you can remind me would be great.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:11 am
however, i have the precise form that my teacher used in the changchog rite, and i will use that, is really similar to the one showed by Lama Tarchin. I think i had good luck seeing both versions, i think i learned something very useful.
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no. gektor offer is in the beginning.Danny wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:32 amDid that come with the burning of the names? I mean I can dig through my stuff and answer myself, but if you can remind me would be great.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:11 am
however, i have the precise form that my teacher used in the changchog rite, and i will use that, is really similar to the one showed by Lama Tarchin. I think i had good luck seeing both versions, i think i learned something very useful.
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Ok yes, namcho shitro with changchog etc.
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yes. you practice this? is very nice, and useful!
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
Only that one time with Rinpoche as a collective practice. Still was very generous of Rinpoche to condense that practice down to its essence.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:09 amyes. you practice this? is very nice, and useful!
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"but lama pema, why is then that one can use a cookie or a muffin or a banana, etc., but can't make a little bit different doug form of gektor? i really wonder."
Excellent question. When we use a cookie or a muffin, it's an expedient means. However, when we are actually making torma, then we need to make them either how our Teacher taught us or how they are done in that particular tradition. We should not change tormas, chanting tunes, etc.; otherwise the tradition will become entirely corrupted in a short time. In Vajrayana, lineage is incredibly important, and that includes lineage of tormas, etc. Further, when we do it as correctly as possible, to the best of our abilities, we can be sure it will work "as advertised." When we start modifiying and changing things around to suit ourselves (emphasis on the word "self"), then we no longer have that assurance.
Excellent question. When we use a cookie or a muffin, it's an expedient means. However, when we are actually making torma, then we need to make them either how our Teacher taught us or how they are done in that particular tradition. We should not change tormas, chanting tunes, etc.; otherwise the tradition will become entirely corrupted in a short time. In Vajrayana, lineage is incredibly important, and that includes lineage of tormas, etc. Further, when we do it as correctly as possible, to the best of our abilities, we can be sure it will work "as advertised." When we start modifiying and changing things around to suit ourselves (emphasis on the word "self"), then we no longer have that assurance.
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i see, thank you!pemachophel wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:11 pm "but lama pema, why is then that one can use a cookie or a muffin or a banana, etc., but can't make a little bit different doug form of gektor? i really wonder."
Excellent question. When we use a cookie or a muffin, it's an expedient means. However, when we are actually making torma, then we need to make them either how our Teacher taught us or how they are done in that particular tradition. We should not change tormas, chanting tunes, etc.; otherwise the tradition will become entirely corrupted in a short time. In Vajrayana, lineage is incredibly important, and that includes lineage of tormas, etc. Further, when we do it as correctly as possible, to the best of our abilities, we can be sure it will work "as advertised." When we start modifiying and changing things around to suit ourselves (emphasis on the word "self"), then we no longer have that assurance.
true dharma is inexpressible.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
Actually the only thing missing is the empowerment that normally is a part of chanchog.Danny wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:19 pmOnly that one time with Rinpoche as a collective practice. Still was very generous of Rinpoche to condense that practice down to its essence.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:09 amyes. you practice this? is very nice, and useful!
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ok, fyi i gathered how the torma is done and how is left outside. those who do torma offering in ChNN's changchog can ask via pm.
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In all the Nyingma traditions I am familiar with, it is not "left outside: but thrown outside in an overhand manner. When carrying it out, keep it down low. Before it is offered, be sure it is not on your altar where it may be prostrated to. It should be kept down low if possible. There's a way of making a scorpion-threatening mudra with both hands while carrying the torma plate, but don't worry about that.
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Re: gektor colors and ornaments
Dear Lama Pema,pemachophel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:47 pm Looking at the video, Lama Tharchin's gektor is one of numerous variations (that I have seen) on this general idea.
If one doesn't know how to make a specific torma, one can always use a cookie or small cake or even just a small plate or bowl of rice. It is the visualization that is most important.
As an extension of that last thought, each element of the torma has a meaning or represents something. For instance, the chang-bu around the base represents a spinal column, while the small lamp is a knuckle bone filled with human fat. Ideally, one should know these meanings and not just copy the shapes. Unfrotunately these days, it seems like so much of the Vajrayana Dharma is being lost.
Could you please suggest some books or other sources on this subject. I'm nowadays especially interested in the hidden symbolism. Thanks a lot.