Karmic cause become gay

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Hello guys

As far as I can tell Buddha never condemns gay people, Buddha taught us to have compassion to all living beings. But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay? Thanks in advance.
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Sexual preference is too complex to be delegated to a simple karmic choice in this lifetime.

Other than that many might say the only karma we should be investigating is the karma we created in this existence and more importantly the here and now.
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Norden wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:34 pm Hello guys

As far as I can tell Buddha never condemns gay people, Buddha taught us to have compassion to all living beings. But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay? Thanks in advance.
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Norden wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:34 pm Hello guys

As far as I can tell Buddha never condemns gay people, Buddha taught us to have compassion to all living beings. But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay? Thanks in advance.
According to Abdhidharmakoṣabhaśya, a bardo being with excess desire whose fetus becomes a male fetus during the third week of gestation will likely end up becoming pandaka; one can infer that a bardo being with excess anger whose fetus remains female will become a female pandaka.

According to Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine, gender preference is largely a biological outcome resulting from a uniform quantity of male and female reproductive tissues at the moment of conception.

The question of pandakas is really only an issue for monastic ordination. It is not a moral issue, though, naturally, there are non-gender specific issues with oral sex and anal sex described in the teachings on sexual misconduct.
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karmic cause gay?

That sounds funny.what is that?

Buddhism is a religion.

basically fiğht against suffering.which has roots of karmicly ignorance. :D :D :D
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Norden wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:34 pm Hello guys

As far as I can tell Buddha never condemns gay people, Buddha taught us to have compassion to all living beings. But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay? Thanks in advance.
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Norden wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:34 pm But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay?
There might be many questions as to karmic causes.

what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a human ?
what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a man ?
what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a woman ?
what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a happy human ?
what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a sad human ?
what is the karmic cause that makes someone become an insect?
what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a cow ?

Uncountable questions of this kind ...
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...the same karma that causes a person to be straight
EMPTIFUL.
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It’s love (Chinese called ‘Ai’ 爱
Ài).😉
It’s the cause of suffering if end it then end cause of delusional perceptions you will have no self but is frown upon on Mahayana.
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LastLegend wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 7:05 pm It’s love (Chinese called ‘Ai’ 爱
Ài).😉
It’s the cause of suffering if end it then end cause of delusional perceptions you will have no self but is frown upon on Mahayana.
yes, like to have the body of emptiness
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Norden wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:34 pm Hello guys

As far as I can tell Buddha never condemns gay people, 0Buddha taught us to have compassion to all living beings. But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay? Thanks in advance.
it depends. is not that simple as having a single cause, but in general it's just because of the passionate habits, like when you taste something and you want more.

being gay isn't a karmic retribution from sort of "bad" action... is just a result of desire habits.
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:26 pm
Norden wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:34 pm Hello guys

As far as I can tell Buddha never condemns gay people, 0Buddha taught us to have compassion to all living beings. But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay? Thanks in advance.
it depends. is not that simple as having a single cause, but in general it's just because of the passionate habits, like when you taste something and you want more.

being gay isn't a karmic retribution from sort of "bad" action... is just a result of desire habits.
Love, associated feelings, more love for associated feelings, exacerbated associated perceptions, suffering when no have. Mahayana don’t advocate to end the cause but to be clear of what they are. However, if Mahayana practitioners want to end cause of suffering and delusional perceptions as a step, they can but they will need to drop that realization and move forward to become a Buddha. Cause of suffering: 2nd Noble Truth. What are the cause? I don’t know. 😄
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LastLegend wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:26 pm
Norden wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:34 pm Hello guys

As far as I can tell Buddha never condemns gay people, 0Buddha taught us to have compassion to all living beings. But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay? Thanks in advance.
it depends. is not that simple as having a single cause, but in general it's just because of the passionate habits, like when you taste something and you want more.

being gay isn't a karmic retribution from sort of "bad" action... is just a result of desire habits.
Love, associated feelings, more love for associated feelings, exacerbated associated perceptions, suffering when no have. Mahayana don’t advocate to end the cause but to be clear of what they are. However, if Mahayana practitioners want to end cause of suffering and delusional perceptions as a step, they can but they will need to drop that realization and move forward to become a Buddha. Cause of suffering: 2nd Noble Truth. What are the cause? I don’t know. 😄
desire.
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:39 pm
LastLegend wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:26 pm

it depends. is not that simple as having a single cause, but in general it's just because of the passionate habits, like when you taste something and you want more.

being gay isn't a karmic retribution from sort of "bad" action... is just a result of desire habits.
Love, associated feelings, more love for associated feelings, exacerbated associated perceptions, suffering when no have. Mahayana don’t advocate to end the cause but to be clear of what they are. However, if Mahayana practitioners want to end cause of suffering and delusional perceptions as a step, they can but they will need to drop that realization and move forward to become a Buddha. Cause of suffering: 2nd Noble Truth. What are the cause? I don’t know. 😄
desire.
Buddhas are angry😄 if we settle for less and try to end the desire (cause as you said) instead of focusing on our enlightened nature/Wisdom to discern them.
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Norden wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 2:34 pm Hello guys

As far as I can tell Buddha never condemns gay people, Buddha taught us to have compassion to all living beings. But the question is, what is the karmic cause that makes someone become a gay? Thanks in advance.
Traditionally, many will tell you it is because of past cheating. Specifically, men who cheat on their wives are born gay and women who cheat on their husbands are born lesbian. I doubt there's any canonical justification for this. Perhaps there is.

We can only assume being born straight is due to cheating on your homosexual lover.

In my opinion, having seen this myth told, it is that the point of it is to get you not to cheat, the idea being that a straight man would have the most horror at being reborn as a gay man, and women vice-versa, thus theoretically ensuring fidelity.
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It’s the same attraction or love for any object right. That’s the seed and cause but like you said specific detail what are they because it’s just not one thing but a simultaneous interaction of skandhas.
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Most likely a person is born gay if they were a female in their past life and vice versa for lesbians. This is what I read from a bhikkhu.
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LastLegend wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:42 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:39 pm
LastLegend wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 pm

Love, associated feelings, more love for associated feelings, exacerbated associated perceptions, suffering when no have. Mahayana don’t advocate to end the cause but to be clear of what they are. However, if Mahayana practitioners want to end cause of suffering and delusional perceptions as a step, they can but they will need to drop that realization and move forward to become a Buddha. Cause of suffering: 2nd Noble Truth. What are the cause? I don’t know. 😄
desire.
Buddhas are angry😄 if we settle for less and try to end the desire (cause as you said) instead of focusing on our enlightened nature/Wisdom to discern them.
that is kind of transformation mahayana way, vajrayana, where desire is a valuable thing and coexist with wisdom. but in renounciation mahayana one should give up desire, all desires.
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But here is a question of choice: wisdom allows us not to make a choice that will create more karma? Suppose that’s Mahayana view. A Vajrayana view is make more karma (based on desire right) and transform that karma? Guess which ways are better? Both depends on practitioners. And both Mahayana and Vajrayana are taught enlightened nature right! Can you guys have a hand shake with common Mahayana or we are too inferior 😉. I truly don’t think that Heart Sutra and Mahaprajnaparamita Sutras advocate end cause of suffering (object of love being a person).
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Caoimhghín wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:45 pm We can only assume being born straight is due to cheating on your homosexual lover.
:rolling:

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