what Torma tradition?

[Aldo white]

which position to use in shirine room?

Left to right

1° watter ?
2° watter ?
3 ° flower torma ? 5 senses
4° incense
5° no use butterlamp?
6° perfum watter
7° other torma?
8° no sound offering?

Anyone know how to inform?
is this correct form? to assign torma home altar whartful

[Grigoris]

The teacher I follow says that wrathful offerings should be done in the opposite direction: You start with music and work towards the right to washing water.

[conebeckham]

Those are Kagyu tormas......Karma Kagyu, Tsurphu Tradition.
You have a "Wangpo Metok" or Flower of the Senses, and a "Drakpo Shelze," or wrathful Food offering.

Normally, offerings to deities in front, in other words on the shrine, go from your left to your right, starting with the two waters, then flowers, incense, light, scented water, food, and music.

For Wrathful offerings, say to protectors or wrathful yidams, the Wangpo Metok takes the place of the flower, and the DrakShel is the food offering.

Sometimes, the offerings go in the opposite direction, depending on which deity or practice you are engaged in. Sometimes, there are offerings "missing"--say, Argham but no PAydam (Drinking water but not washing water), and sometimes there are additional "waters" or other offerings.

[conebeckham]

Actually, on closer inspection, they may be Karma Kagyu tormas of the Palpung tradition...it's hard to say for sure. The base of the Shelze is fairly thick, and the torma is "stocky." Those are typical characteristics of Palpung tradition.

[Grigoris]

Sometimes, there are offerings "missing"--say, Argham but no PAydam (Drinking water but not washing water)...

I have noticed that in some sadhana. Is it possible for you to explain why?

Thanks Cone!

[conebeckham]

Sometimes, there are offerings "missing"--say, Argham but no PAydam (Drinking water but not washing water)...

I have noticed that in some sadhana. Is it possible for you to explain why?

Thanks Cone!

Short answer: It's tradition.
Longer answer: depends on the practice......just as an example, and I don't think this contravenes samaya, Phagmo is not offered "paydam" or "washing/rinsing water for the feet."Perhaps her feet are not dirty?

[Aldo white]

found these photos seems to be offering mahakala and haiagriva.

Can anyone who knows a nigyma master talk about using for vajrakilaya?

[Bristollad]

Kalarupa is another deity who isn't offered padyam - the explanation I was given was offering water to clean his feet would be in some way seeking to negate his trampling of enemies.

[Fortyeightvows]

Kalarupa is another deity who isn't offered padyam - the explanation I was given was offering water to clean his feet would be in some way seeking to negate his trampling of enemies.

Thank you for that!

[AmidaB]

Sometimes, there are offerings "missing"--say, Argham but no PAydam (Drinking water but not washing water)...

I have noticed that in some sadhana. Is it possible for you to explain why?

Thanks Cone!

Short answer: It's tradition.
Longer answer: depends on the practice......just as an example, and I don't think this contravenes samaya, Phagmo is not offered "paydam" or "washing/rinsing water for the feet."Perhaps her feet are not dirty?

Hi,
I have heard that there is no 'water'for the feet when the given protector/deity never stops in her/his activity. No time for feet washing. As you surely know the whole process is mimicking the ancient indian tradition. When you would like to wash the feet of your precious guest, he or she have to take a seat at first.

[tingdzin]

For the Nyingma Putri Regphung phurpa, 16 offerings are ideally arranged along a single line, starting from your left with the usual 2 peaceful waters, flower,etc. but in the middle, where the wrathful offerings start, it's wrathful food,etc, so that the last two on your right are the two wrathful "waters". Don't have a picture, but I hope that's clear.

Can anyone who knows a nigyma master talk about using for vajrakilaya?

"waters"