well, mandala offerings don't need to exclude trechö, just so you know.
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well, mandala offerings don't need to exclude trechö, just so you know.
Impossible to explain.
The explanation is that merit is crucial in actually realising the view. That lama accumulated sufficient merit by persevering in his mandala offering practise and attained the view with no need for pointing out. Is implicit, guru devotion is in his mandala offering practice so he received blessing from his lineage too.
That's not what I meant by "impossible to explain." I was saying it's impossible to explain why one needs trekcho to attain rainbow body. This is something you need to see for yourself - your own nature.WeiHan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:24 pmThe explanation is that merit is crucial in actually realising the view. That lama accumulated sufficient merit by persevering in his mandala offering practise and attained the view with no need for pointing out. Is implicit, guru devotion is in his mandala offering practice so he received blessing from his lineage too.
If they attained rainbow body they were practicing trekcho and/or thogal. Perhaps externally it looked as though they only offered mandala, but internally that was not the case if jalu was manifested.
WeiHan, of course you're right that merit is crucial to realizing the view, as are devotion, which causes blessings to enter one's body, speech, and mind. Nevertheless, the realization of the body of light is dependent upon more than devotion, merit, and blessings. It's based on the interdependence between specific methods and functions of the physical body and one's natural state.WeiHan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:24 pm The explanation is that merit is crucial in actually realising the view. That lama accumulated sufficient merit by persevering in his mandala offering practise and attained the view with no need for pointing out. Is implicit, guru devotion is in his mandala offering practice so he received blessing from his lineage too.
Quite frankly nowadays it is even better not to mention that you practice at all.
This is what I maybe doubtful. As far as I know, Trechok is Samantha with the view. There shouldn't be any difference for a person who realised/attained the view through other methods and are able to maintain in that view or state all the time.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:14 amWeiHan, of course you're right that merit is crucial to realizing the view, as are devotion, which causes blessings to enter one's body, speech, and mind. Nevertheless, the realization of the body of light is dependent upon more than devotion, merit, and blessings. It's based on the interdependence between specific methods and functions of the physical body and one's natural state.WeiHan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:24 pm The explanation is that merit is crucial in actually realising the view. That lama accumulated sufficient merit by persevering in his mandala offering practise and attained the view with no need for pointing out. Is implicit, guru devotion is in his mandala offering practice so he received blessing from his lineage too.
I think it would be safe to assume that nobody discussing Throma Nagmo in this thread has taken her as a yidam. If they had, they wouldn't be discussing it.Tongnyid Dorje wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:22 pm Can I ask, who in this threadd is realy devoted to Troma Nagmo as main practice?
Tregchod is being in knowledge of the true nature; one must be specifically introduced to this knowledge via Dzogchen methods by a qualified guru. However, it is togal that brings realization of the body of light, not tregchod. Tregchod can bring one to the point of dissolving the body into subtle particles, but not a body of light.
That is not what Trechö is, it most certainly don't depend on shamatha or even sitting down on a pillow. It isn't meditation.WeiHan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:39 pmThis is what I maybe doubtful. As far as I know, Trechok is Samantha with the view. There shouldn't be any difference for a person who realised/attained the view through other methods and are able to maintain in that view or state all the time.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:14 amWeiHan, of course you're right that merit is crucial to realizing the view, as are devotion, which causes blessings to enter one's body, speech, and mind. Nevertheless, the realization of the body of light is dependent upon more than devotion, merit, and blessings. It's based on the interdependence between specific methods and functions of the physical body and one's natural state.WeiHan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:24 pm The explanation is that merit is crucial in actually realising the view. That lama accumulated sufficient merit by persevering in his mandala offering practise and attained the view with no need for pointing out. Is implicit, guru devotion is in his mandala offering practice so he received blessing from his lineage too.
There is a YouTube with Alan Wallace quoting Yangthang Rinpoche stating that Trechog is samatha with the view. Of course, if one received the teaching before, there are off sessions practices that may not involve sitting on cushion etc...heart wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:59 amThat is not what Trechö is, it most certainly don't depend on shamatha or even sitting down on a pillow. It isn't meditation.WeiHan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:39 pmThis is what I maybe doubtful. As far as I know, Trechok is Samantha with the view. There shouldn't be any difference for a person who realised/attained the view through other methods and are able to maintain in that view or state all the time.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:14 am
WeiHan, of course you're right that merit is crucial to realizing the view, as are devotion, which causes blessings to enter one's body, speech, and mind. Nevertheless, the realization of the body of light is dependent upon more than devotion, merit, and blessings. It's based on the interdependence between specific methods and functions of the physical body and one's natural state.
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Well, if you are a student of Allan Wallace then there is nothing in this world that is so important as shamatha. But I have my own masters.WeiHan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:26 amThere is a YouTube with Alan Wallace quoting Yangthang Rinpoche stating that Trechog is samatha with the view. Of course, if one received the teaching before, there are off sessions practices that may not involve sitting on cushion etc...
Any text to support this? Of course, texts mentioned that trekcho and thogal can results in rainbow body but are there any texts that assert these are the only method?