Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
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“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
That's a bit misleading title. The text defines nibbana as "Nibbana means not grasping. Nibbana means not giving meaning to things. Nibbana means letting go." And continues: "Making offerings and doing meritorious deeds, observing moral precepts, and meditating on loving-kindness—all these are for getting rid of defilements and craving, for making the mind empty—empty of self-cherishing, empty of concepts of self and other—and for not wishing for anything, not wishing to be or become anything." The idea of "being free" seems somewhat out of place there. When it comes to freedom, there is the "mind is free of desire, free of defilement, free of craving", "freedom from selfishness", or "freedom from all these conditions and phenomena". But just being free, that's likely just another vague selfish concept.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
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Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
....It's Ajahn Chah dude, did you read it or try to get the gist of it?Astus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:30 pm That's a bit misleading title. The text defines nibbana as "Nibbana means not grasping. Nibbana means not giving meaning to things. Nibbana means letting go." And continues: "Making offerings and doing meritorious deeds, observing moral precepts, and meditating on loving-kindness—all these are for getting rid of defilements and craving, for making the mind empty—empty of self-cherishing, empty of concepts of self and other—and for not wishing for anything, not wishing to be or become anything." The idea of "being free" seems somewhat out of place there. When it comes to freedom, there is the "mind is free of desire, free of defilement, free of craving", "freedom from selfishness", or "freedom from all these conditions and phenomena". But just being free, that's likely just another vague selfish concept.
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when afflicted by disease
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
-Khunu Lama
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
-Khunu Lama
Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
It's the title of that article I called misleading. The same text in the Collected Teachings has the title "About Being Careful". As for what "being free" would look like, that is different from the usual meaning of the term where it stands for doing and experiencing whatever one pleases.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:14 pm....It's Ajahn Chah dude, did you read it or try to get the gist of it?
"We practise to be free of suffering, but to be free of suffering does not mean just to have everything as you would like it, have everyone behave as you would like them to, speaking only that which pleases you. Don’t believe your own thinking on these matters."
(Collected Teachings of Ajahn Chah, p 211)
"This is freedom: not to cling to conventions. All things in this world have a conventional reality. Having established them we should not be fooled by them, because getting lost in them really leads to suffering."
(p 22)
"In this way we can dwell in a natural state, which is peace and tranquillity. If we are criticized, we remain undisturbed. If we are praised, we are undisturbed. Let things be in this way; don’t be influenced by others. This is freedom."
(p 82)
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
Maybe that’s because there is no conception of freedom in the sense of Nirvāṇa or vimukti or liberation in the English lexicon; there’s really no equivalent term for ‘freedom’ in that sense. The usual meaning, or only meaning, in contemporary society, is economic and political freedom, in which sense most of us who participate here are already ‘free’, though, perhaps, far from being spiritually liberated.
'Only practice with no gaining idea' ~ Suzuki Roshi
Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
I haven't read much Ajahn Chah but this is consistent with what I have read from him previously and is consistent with the Southern Tradition as I have read/heard it from elder monks. Ajahn Chah was a great practitioner, almost certainly an Arhat so perhaps there is more here to sit with.
Kirt
The title is the product of editing. But what are you objecting to?
I'd have to disagree with you. This is completely a standard Theravadin presentation. Why do you think this constitutes a "vague selfish concept"?Astus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:30 pm And continues: "Making offerings and doing meritorious deeds, observing moral precepts, and meditating on loving-kindness—all these are for getting rid of defilements and craving, for making the mind empty—empty of self-cherishing, empty of concepts of self and other—and for not wishing for anything, not wishing to be or become anything." The idea of "being free" seems somewhat out of place there. When it comes to freedom, there is the "mind is free of desire, free of defilement, free of craving", "freedom from selfishness", or "freedom from all these conditions and phenomena". But just being free, that's likely just another vague selfish concept.
Kirt
“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
No, "doing and experiencing whatever one pleases" <> "being free". The former is a teen boy definition of freedom and is thus inadmissible (and in fact teen boys who use that definition seriously give themselves a bad name and a bad reputation). The later refers to at least the momentary freedom from the three poisons.Astus wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:20 amAs for what "being free" would look like, that is different from the usual meaning of the term where it stands for doing and experiencing whatever one pleases.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:14 pm....It's Ajahn Chah dude, did you read it or try to get the gist of it?
Kirt
“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
How beautifully saidAstus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:30 pm That's a bit misleading title. The text defines nibbana as "Nibbana means not grasping. Nibbana means not giving meaning to things. Nibbana means letting go." And continues: "Making offerings and doing meritorious deeds, observing moral precepts, and meditating on loving-kindness—all these are for getting rid of defilements and craving, for making the mind empty—empty of self-cherishing, empty of concepts of self and other—and for not wishing for anything, not wishing to be or become anything." The idea of "being free" seems somewhat out of place there. When it comes to freedom, there is the "mind is free of desire, free of defilement, free of craving", "freedom from selfishness", or "freedom from all these conditions and phenomena". But just being free, that's likely just another vague selfish concept.
true dharma is inexpressible.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
Shantideva wrote:10. For the sake of accomplishing the welfare of all sentient beings, I freely give up my body, enjoyments, and all my virtues of the three times.
11. Surrendering everything is nirvana, and my mind seeks nirvana. If I must surrender everything, it is better that I give it to sentient beings.
-- Guide to the Bodhisattva Way of Life, ch. III
Namu Amida Butsu
Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
The product of editing.
We don't seem to disagree. It is freedom from the three poisons that is the goal, not a conventional concept of freedom.kirtu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:36 amNo, "doing and experiencing whatever one pleases" <> "being free". The former is a teen boy definition of freedom and is thus inadmissible (and in fact teen boys who use that definition seriously give themselves a bad name and a bad reputation). The later refers to at least the momentary freedom from the three poisons.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
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Re: Nibbana Is Giving Up, Letting Go, and Being Free, Ajahn Chah
"In this way we can dwell in a natural state, which is peace and tranquillity. If we are criticized, we remain undisturbed. If we are praised, we are undisturbed. Let things be in this way; don’t be influenced by others. This is freedom."
This is conditioning practice, good though.
This is conditioning practice, good though.
It’s eye blinking.