Nechung Kuten Recognizes Yeye Omileye

[Malcolm]

The post I was responding asserted that a Buddha CANNOT manifest through oracle.

Yes, they cannot.

Why?

Buddhas have no intentions.

[Sherab]

Yes, they cannot.

Why?

Buddhas have no intentions.

So how does that makes it impossible for a Buddha to manifest specifically through a medium since having no intentions does not preclude the Buddha from manifesting as as anything anyway.

[Fortyeightvows]

Yes, they cannot.

So the Guan Yin mediums are all fake?

Of course.

What does "fake" exactly mean?

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[Aryjna]

So the Guan Yin mediums are all fake?

Of course.

What does "fake" exactly mean?

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That they are lying and putting on a show of being mediums.

[Sherab]

Of course.

What does "fake" exactly mean?

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That they are lying and putting on a show of being mediums.

That is one possibility. Another possibility is that the mediums were channelling beings who posed as Buddhas or Bodhisattvas.

[Fortyeightvows]

Any other possibilities...?

[Malcolm]

Why?

Buddhas have no intentions.

So how does that makes it impossible for a Buddha to manifest specifically through a medium since having no intentions does not preclude the Buddha from manifesting as as anything anyway.

Sure it does, a buddha cannot manifest as a mara, for example. All the activities of a buddha are determined by a buddha”s prior path aspirations.

[PeterC]

What does "fake" exactly mean?

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That they are lying and putting on a show of being mediums.

That is one possibility. Another possibility is that the mediums were channelling beings who posed as Buddhas or Bodhisattvas.

That is a possibility. But it’s far more likely that they are simply confidence tricksters. There is a near-inexhaustible supply of credulous and vulnerable people willing to give them money, whether they claim to be Guan Yin, an Afro-Tibetan Buddha or a nine-tailed fox. It’s all the same BS.

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

It’s all the same BS.

According to Buddhadharma ....isn't everything (phenomenal) suppose to be unreal, illusionary, empty ? So why would one illusion be more illusionary than another illusion ? Isn't it all BS ?

[Aryjna]

It’s all the same BS.

According to Buddhadharma ....isn't everything (phenomenal) suppose to be unreal, illusionary, empty ? So why would one illusion be more illusionary than another illusion ? Isn't it all BS ?

In this case they are illusionary liars as opposed to illusionary oracles of Guan Yin apparently.

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

they are illusionary liars as opposed to illusionary oracles

Isn't that kinda ridiculous ? I mean...if we're suppose to view everything as an illusion, yet we have to determine which illusions are more real...( we don't wanna get hit by that illusionary truck...)

The laws of conditional reality have to be in place to survive in samsara..yet this is really nirvana...

[Aryjna]

they are illusionary liars as opposed to illusionary oracles

Isn't that kinda ridiculous ? I mean...if we're suppose to view everything as an illusion, yet we have to determine which illusions are more real...( we don't wanna get hit by that illusionary truck...)

I don't see how this could be seen as ridiculous. Saying that everything is the same because everything is illusory does not make much sense. Stabbing yourself in the leg and eating an ice-cream may both be illusory but they are clearly different.

[PeterC]

It’s all the same BS.

According to Buddhadharma ....isn't everything (phenomenal) suppose to be unreal, illusionary, empty ? So why would one illusion be more illusionary than another illusion ? Isn't it all BS ?

That way lies the extreme of nihilism. The property of being empty or illusory applies to phenomena, but what is BS here is not phenomena. What appears to be BS is the view that she teaches.

The "it's all emptiness, dude" perspective is only a small step away from the "it's all the same enlightened nature, dude, they're all water goddesses" argument so often employed by these make-it-up-as-you-go gurus

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

I don't see how this could be seen as ridiculous. Saying that everything is the same because everything is illusory does not make much sense. Stabbing yourself in the leg and eating an ice-cream may both be illusory but they are clearly different.

Saying that everything is the same because everything is illusory does not make much sense.

Well saying that everything is illusionary...yet we have to be aware which illusions will get us killed...even though our existence is also an illusion.....is kinda hypocritical really...

[PeterC]

It’s all the same BS.

According to Buddhadharma ....isn't everything (phenomenal) suppose to be unreal, illusionary, empty ? So why would one illusion be more illusionary than another illusion ? Isn't it all BS ?

Apologies for stating the obvious, but there is a difference between something being *like* an illusion and something *being* an illusion.

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

they're all water goddesses

Yet there are Buddhist Masters that say we are all REALLY Buddhas.....

[Aryjna]

I don't see how this could be seen as ridiculous. Saying that everything is the same because everything is illusory does not make much sense. Stabbing yourself in the leg and eating an ice-cream may both be illusory but they are clearly different.

Saying that everything is the same because everything is illusory does not make much sense.

Well saying that everything is illusionary...yet we have to be aware which illusions will get us killed...even though our existence is also an illusion.....is kinda hypocritical really...

I disagree, and this is something that has probably been discussed hundreds of times here, along with the well-known quote of Padmasambhava about cause and effect.

But how does this relate to the case of the supposed oracles?

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

there is a difference between something being *like* an illusion and something *being* an illusion.

Yes...and what exactly is that fine line that differentiates the two ? (Dualities)

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

how does this relate to the case of the supposed oracles?

It's no different. Either they can be view as in Pure View, as real Buddhas' /Goddesses....or they can be viewed as liars/fake

[Aryjna]

how does this relate to the case of the supposed oracles?

It's no different. Either they can be view as in Pure View, as real Buddhas' /Goddesses....or they can be viewed as liars/fake

It is possible to do both at the same time. Animals can be viewed as buddhas as well, but they are animals. Murderers can be viewed as buddhas etc. Would you ask an animal to bless you or give you a reading?