Can a complete beginner benefit from Dzogchen practice?

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Tashi delek,

Yes Dzogchen teachings are a good way to train the mind.

In addition:

- But what (is) mind ?
- Is not all mind ?
- Where is illusion and where not ?
- Does it end with the subject or object or both?

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Namdrol wrote: if you follow a master like ChNN -- you will become a sane human being, even without studying Abhidharma and so on.
Define "sane human being". :D
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Pero wrote:
Namdrol wrote: if you follow a master like ChNN -- you will become a sane human being, even without studying Abhidharma and so on.
Define "sane human being". :D
nearly "pure being" no? :twothumbsup:
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What exactly would a beginner be practicing first ?
I consider myself a beginner. I had direct pointing out via webcast. Attended a few other webcasts.
Attended the Lung (VIA WEBCAST) for Malcolms book, BUDDHA IN THIS LIFETIME..
But i don't know what i should be doing as far as practice.
Is it necessary to become a MEMBER of the Dzogchen community ?

THANK YOU

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Kunga Lhadzom wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 pm What exactly would a beginner be practicing first ?
I consider myself a beginner. I had direct pointing out via webcast. Attended a few other webcasts.
Attended the Lung (VIA WEBCAST) for Malcolms book, BUDDHA IN THIS LIFETIME..
But i don't know what i should be doing as far as practice.
Is it necessary to become a MEMBER of the Dzogchen community ?

THANK YOU

:namaste:
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Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pmNgondro.
Oy vey....

i started it many years ago...but stopped....so i just pick up where i left off or start over... ?


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Kunga Lhadzom wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:17 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pmNgondro.
Oy vey....

i started it many years ago...but stopped....so i just pick up where i left off or start over... ?


Thank you Malcolm :heart:
Start over fresh if you did not get very far, otherwise, pick up where you left off.
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Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:22 pm Start over fresh if you did not get very far, otherwise, pick up where you left off.
OK...

I only did about 300 :emb:
then i read something that let me cheat...so i thought i got away with it... :jumping:


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Kunga Lhadzom wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:27 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:22 pm Start over fresh if you did not get very far, otherwise, pick up where you left off.
OK...

I only did about 300 :emb:
then i read something that let me cheat...so i thought i got away with it... :jumping:


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You can also just do Ati Guru Yoga. Or you can do both.
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Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:28 pm You can also just do Ati Guru Yoga. Or you can do both.
How exactly do you practice Ati Guru Yoga ?
I think doing both would be beneficial for me...

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Kunga Lhadzom wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:31 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:28 pm You can also just do Ati Guru Yoga. Or you can do both.
How exactly do you practice Ati Guru Yoga ?
I think doing both would be beneficial for me...

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Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:39 pm Start with ngondro.
OK


Thank you Malcolm :heart:




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Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm
Kunga Lhadzom wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 pm What exactly would a beginner be practicing first ?
I consider myself a beginner. I had direct pointing out via webcast. Attended a few other webcasts.
Attended the Lung (VIA WEBCAST) for Malcolms book, BUDDHA IN THIS LIFETIME..
But i don't know what i should be doing as far as practice.
Is it necessary to become a MEMBER of the Dzogchen community ?

THANK YOU

:namaste:
Ngondro.
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
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chimechodra wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:54 am
Malcolm wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm
Kunga Lhadzom wrote: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 pm What exactly would a beginner be practicing first ?
I consider myself a beginner. I had direct pointing out via webcast. Attended a few other webcasts.
Attended the Lung (VIA WEBCAST) for Malcolms book, BUDDHA IN THIS LIFETIME..
But i don't know what i should be doing as far as practice.
Is it necessary to become a MEMBER of the Dzogchen community ?

THANK YOU

:namaste:
Ngondro.
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
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Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
I’ve never heard of a separate “Dzogchen NgonDro”.
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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smcj wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:37 am
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
I’ve never heard of a separate “Dzogchen NgonDro”.
That's Semdzin and Rushen. Jim Valby talks about this a lot in his seminars.
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smcj wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:37 am
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
I’ve never heard of a separate “Dzogchen NgonDro”.
The 7 lojongs, semdzins, outer, inner and secret rushen from upadesha class, no?
Working with the essence of the elements, 6 lokas from sems de?
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florin wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:35 pm
smcj wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:37 am
Tantric or Dzogchen ngondro?
I’ve never heard of a separate “Dzogchen NgonDro”.
The 7 lojongs, semdzins, outer, inner and secret rushen from upadesha class, no?
Working with the essence of the elements, 6 lokas from sems de?
smcj does not practice or study Dzogchen. That's why he has no idea.
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