Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it is just a crock of shit?
I mean, it looks like a crock of shit (as do the Celtic mob). It might not be. It may just be poorly executed. I am just commenting on how it looks.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it is just a crock of shit?
As benign as a benign tumour.Grigoris wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:11 amWhen I say "real" I mean with an existing historical and social pedigree.MiphamFan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:32 amIMO, what makes it "real" is mainly the spirits agreeing to respond to the practitioners' offerings. But AFAIK, most of the purposes people have in mind for these rites are incompatible with Dharma. I used to be involved with online occult communities; I don't know why those people always experienced so many problems and turned to cursing and hexing so readily. Blood sacrifice is also common.
Compared to them, Aro is relatively benign IMO.
Are Aro benign or inane?
If they were from central they probably were referring to nganga practice. People seem to associate all atr practice with vodoun, because that's the most familiar word.(They might of said voodoo since it would be more familiar)Grigoris wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:23 am Well, Voodoo seems to have some "real" roots too. In my work with Central African refugees, they tell me all sorts of blood-curdling stories of their indigenous practices, that we clearly see in Voodoo too. imagine the original slaves mixed their practices with indigenous religious practices of America plus some of the folk aspects of Southern European Catholicism.
Grigoris wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:28 amThis is CRR's (a former teacher of Doc) version of the name Aro gTer:dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:26 amPossibly of interest: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aro
The person that sent me the transcript also sent me the audio version.CRR: "Some Westerners... some ball crystal... fall down in ... Swayambhu Stupa, Nepal.
Then this some another Westerner get up then show one Tibetan high lamas. Then says "Aro!!
oh shel!!" he say. Then now he says Aro shel s now become ter - Aro ter he says. Now he’s Aro
Ter. Padmasambhava’s list inside Aro Ter s nobody’s there. About to now coming possible
1.000 that list inside not being (?) Aro Ter. Anyway ... teaching here... then like this ... false
... teachings also benefit or not I don’t know, I doubt."
GK: "Irgendein Westler hat wohl einen Kristall... eine Kristallkugel bei der Swayambhu
Stupa in Nepal verloren, und in anderer Westler hat die gefunden, und hat das dann einem
hohen tibetischen Lama gezeigt, und der hat dann vielleicht sowas gesagt wie "Aro oh shel"
was so viel heißt wie "oh eine Kristall oh, ein Kristall!". Und derjenige hat verstanden "Aro
Ter" und erzählt jetzt, dass das ein Aro Ter wäre. Rinpoche sagt, diesen Namen „Aro Ter“ hat
er in den Voraussagen von Padmasambhava, in der Liste, die Padmasambhava gegeben hat,
nirgends gefunden. Es gibt eine Liste, da sind noch Tausende von Tertöns, die kommen
sollen, und Termas, die kommen sollen. Aber dieser Name "Aro Ter" kommt darunter nicht
vor. Und, ob, wenn dann solche falschen Belehrungen oder Termas gelehrt werden, dann
zweifelt Rinpoche, ob das auch einen wirklichen Nutzen bringt."
GK translation: „Some Westerner has maybe lost a crystal ball near the Swayambhu Stupa,
and then another Westerner has found it and has shown it to a high Tibetan lama who then
maybe has said something like „Aro oh shel“ which means something like „Oh, a crystal, oh,
a crystal“. And he [the Westerner] has understood „Aro Ter“, and now he says that it is an
Aro Ter. Rinpoche says that he has not found this name „Aro Ter“ in Padmasambhava’s
prophecies, he hasn’t found it anywhere in the list that Padmasambhava has given. There is a
list of thousands of tertons to be coming, and of termas to be coming. But this name „Aro
Ter“ is not in it. And if, when such false teachings or termas are being taught, if this will be of
any real benefit - Rinpoche has his doubts.“
CRR: "If like this... crystal ball there taking necessary ... I ... if I have money ... Europe I
gave then more than hundred thousand crystal balls I buy possible, I say this everything is Ter
... I lying cheating possible ... I never do."
GK: "Wenn so ein Kristall-Ball ein Terma wäre, er sagt, dann könnte er in Europa Hunderte
von solchen Termas kaufen, aber er sagt er hat es nicht nötig, auf diese Art und Weise zu
lügen und zu betrügen."
GK translation: „If such a crystal ball would be a terma, he [Rinpoche] says, then he could
buy hundreds of termas like this in Europe, but he says he doesn’t need to lie and cheat in this
way.“
CRR: "You do that?"
GK: "I hope not!" (Gelächter/laughter)
I am not saying it is all dark, but the stuff the guys I talk with got subjected to, almost always contains human sacrifice.
Now that's just sick.
My observation is that if 100 Tibetan Lamas won't given an endorsement, the 101th will. That is all the endorsement one needs for most Westerners.
Not voodoo, Poro Society in Sierra Leone, for example. The guys I see escaped from forced initiation and are willing to talk about the practices in order to denounce them. Many people from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea and Ivory Coast have converted to Abrahamic religions so when the time for initiation arrives they find the practices unethical from their new religion's point of view and...
I am most certainly NOT saying that the people you talked to are lying, or wrong. I know absolutely nothing about Sierra Leone (except for reading "A long way gone"), and I have heard that the African secret societies set up to enforce moral codes and taboos can get pretty dark...Grigoris wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:43 pmNot voodoo, Poro Society in Sierra Leone, for example. The guys I see escaped from forced initiation and are willing to talk about the practices in order to denounce them. Many people from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea and Ivory Coast have converted to Abrahamic religions so when the time for initiation arrives they find the practices unethical from their new religion's point of view and...
Human sacrifices are generally carried out in the case of initiation of high ranking members. Sacrifices by chieftains of their first born sons (remember the story of Abraham?) seem to be quite common. Society members are found in all walks of life and the organisation also infiltrates into government. Those escaping generally cannot turn to support from police, because many of the police are members of the society, so when you visit the police station wanting to file charges of kidnapping, torture, etc... it is considered breaking oaths of secrecy and normally leads to the person reporting the incident being murdered.
Ah, OK. Still important to hear the stories with healthy skepticism. With secret societies anyone with an agenda can claim anything and it will be difficult to corroborate.Grigoris wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:43 pmNot voodoo, Poro Society in Sierra Leone, for example. The guys I see escaped from forced initiation and are willing to talk about the practices in order to denounce them. Many people from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea and Ivory Coast have converted to Abrahamic religions so when the time for initiation arrives they find the practices unethical from their new religion's point of view and...
Human sacrifices are generally carried out in the case of initiation of high ranking members. Sacrifices by chieftains of their first born sons (remember the story of Abraham?) seem to be quite common. Society members are found in all walks of life and the organisation also infiltrates into government. Those escaping generally cannot turn to support from police, because many of the police are members of the society, so when you visit the police station wanting to file charges of kidnapping, torture, etc... it is considered breaking oaths of secrecy and normally leads to the person reporting the incident being murdered.
Right. Been seen in anything from Judaism, to Freemasonry, to the CIA, to Satanism, to Vodou, to tantric practice. Whatever boogeyman in vogue at the time in social consciousness.climb-up wrote:...used solely to either promote a church or minister, or to demonize someone who was disliked.
delivered by converts, does make me a bit curious.
Completely irrelevant.marting wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:35 pmRight. Been seen in anything from Judaism, to Freemasonry, to the CIA, to Satanism, to Vodou, to tantric practice. Whatever boogeyman in vogue at the time in social consciousness.climb-up wrote:...used solely to either promote a church or minister, or to demonize someone who was disliked.
delivered by converts, does make me a bit curious.
At the end of the day it comes back to being non-judgemental about unfamiliar beliefs and ideas. Very true that people will create stories about other groups and people for complex reasons not necessarily in the best of intentions, but also true that some people just need to be heard and given emotional support whatever the case. Your work helping refugees in that way sounds great.Grigoris wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:42 pmCompletely irrelevant.marting wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:35 pmRight. Been seen in anything from Judaism, to Freemasonry, to the CIA, to Satanism, to Vodou, to tantric practice. Whatever boogeyman in vogue at the time in social consciousness.climb-up wrote:...used solely to either promote a church or minister, or to demonize someone who was disliked.
delivered by converts, does make me a bit curious.
complety!?Grigoris wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:42 pmCompletely irrelevant.marting wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:35 pmRight. Been seen in anything from Judaism, to Freemasonry, to the CIA, to Satanism, to Vodou, to tantric practice. Whatever boogeyman in vogue at the time in social consciousness.climb-up wrote:...used solely to either promote a church or minister, or to demonize someone who was disliked.
delivered by converts, does make me a bit curious.
Ever heard of the "all dogs..." logical fallacy? Woof!
Yes, I have.
was in response to, but if it was in response to m post showing a one-to-one correspondence with the false claim of alleged survivors of "Satanic Ritual Abuse," who have converted to Christianity, and the people from Sierra Leonne who have converted to Abrahamic religions then I have to question either our high standards of logic, or your willingness to continue the conversation b mention our first hand knowledge of these groups and their practices.Yeah, whatever...
Comparing ISIL to Poro Society is completely irrelevant. If I was talking about Al Shabab or Boko Haram, the comparison may have had some relevance, but Poro Society? No!