Yeah, my understanding is that a law was passed in Mexico forbidding a man from denying that he had cheated on his wife if she caught him in the act. Because, funny thing is, that's a really effective tactic. The mind itself is funny like that. Just deny, deny, deny.
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Even before mastering the triple world, Siddhartha was grabbing life by the dukkha.
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Married men sleeping with hookers in the time of Gautama was seen as normal and not sexual misconduct. The wife had to accept it. Actually this norm still exists in Thailand which is a predominantly Theravadin Buddhist country.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:23 am If men are SNEAKING behind their partners backs seeing prostitutes or lovers...married or not....(IMHO) it's SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
DUH.
Buddha didn't sneak around...did he ??????? Oh, i suppose it was expected of men anyways.....but NOT of women...thus, the DOUBLE STANDARD.
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If Buddha said it was okay, it's alright by me.
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Having said this I think it is important to not sleep around with hookers and stay loyal to one's wife and family. Same goes for women who go to bars and have one night stands with random men every weekend. Both are abhorrent behaviors. Conservative family values = healthy and strong society.Ricky wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:40 amMarried men sleeping with hookers in the time of Gautama was seen as normal and not sexual misconduct. The wife had to accept it. Actually this norm still exists in Thailand which is a predominantly Theravadin Buddhist country.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:23 am If men are SNEAKING behind their partners backs seeing prostitutes or lovers...married or not....(IMHO) it's SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
DUH.
Buddha didn't sneak around...did he ??????? Oh, i suppose it was expected of men anyways.....but NOT of women...thus, the DOUBLE STANDARD.
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Exactly right. Don't compare different times and different societies. Even things as basic as sourcing your food are/were done differently in other times and societies.Ricky wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:40 amMarried men sleeping with hookers in the time of Gautama was seen as normal and not sexual misconduct. The wife had to accept it. Actually this norm still exists in Thailand which is a predominantly Theravadin Buddhist country.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:23 am If men are SNEAKING behind their partners backs seeing prostitutes or lovers...married or not....(IMHO) it's SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
DUH.
Buddha didn't sneak around...did he ??????? Oh, i suppose it was expected of men anyways.....but NOT of women...thus, the DOUBLE STANDARD.
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Ricky wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:49 am Having said this I think it is important to not sleep around with hookers and stay loyal to one's wife and family. Same goes for women who go to bars and have one night stands with random men every weekend. Both are abhorrent behaviors. Conservative family values = healthy and strong society.
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If people can't clarify what this thread is actually about -other than moralizing and grandstanding-, I'm going to shutter it. We have a million threads ony sexual misconduct, people proclaiming this or that as the correct view...let's narrow down the subject matter a bit, and figure out what we're talking about.
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Actually, it WOULD be sexual misconduct, if it was NOT CONSENSUAL to the WIFE....regardless of the norms in that society. I can't believe that women were OK with their men sleeping with other women....but of course the men didn't care about what their wives thought anyways.....DID THEY ? NO.
ALSO, PROSTITUTION is considered WRONG LIVELIHOOD.
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Women were expected to be obedient towards men whether they slept with hookers or not. That's just how it was. It would be best not to judge other cultures.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:42 amActually, it WOULD be sexual misconduct, if it was NOT CONSENSUAL to the WIFE....regardless of the norms in that society. I can't believe that women were OK with their men sleeping with other women....but of course the men didn't care about what their wives thought anyways.....DID THEY ? NO.
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Yes it is but its also the oldest profession in the world that is never going away anytime soon. Better to legalize and regulate it in order to ensure safety for both the prostitute and clients.
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It's the culture of men, that I question...hasn't changed much has it...Ricky wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:30 amWomen were expected to be obedient towards men whether they slept with hookers or not. That's just how it was. It would be best not to judge other cultures.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:42 amActually, it WOULD be sexual misconduct, if it was NOT CONSENSUAL to the WIFE....regardless of the norms in that society. I can't believe that women were OK with their men sleeping with other women....but of course the men didn't care about what their wives thought anyways.....DID THEY ? NO.
That's why this world is so messed up.
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Here's a bit that I imagine almost any Buddhist would agree on:
https://accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an ... .than.html
https://accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an ... .than.html
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And hating on men isn't the solution to solving the world's problems. Aversion is one of the three poisons in Buddhism. You would be doing yourself a favor to try getting rid of it.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:05 amIt's the culture of men, that I question...hasn't changed much has it...Ricky wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:30 amWomen were expected to be obedient towards men whether they slept with hookers or not. That's just how it was. It would be best not to judge other cultures.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:42 am
Actually, it WOULD be sexual misconduct, if it was NOT CONSENSUAL to the WIFE....regardless of the norms in that society. I can't believe that women were OK with their men sleeping with other women....but of course the men didn't care about what their wives thought anyways.....DID THEY ? NO.
That's why this world is so messed up.
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HA !Ricky wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:13 amAnd hating on men isn't the solution to solving the world's problems. Aversion is one of the three poisons in Buddhism. You would be doing yourself a favor to try getting rid of it.Kunga Lhadzom wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:05 amIt's the culture of men, that I question...hasn't changed much has it...
That's why this world is so messed up.
MY problem is I LOVE men too much !
My aversion is towards immorality.
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This.DGA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:53 amI'm not Malcolm, but I would like to propose an answer to your questions. First: scholars use evidence and reason to make their claims. The consensus of scholars is that there have been a number of sutras that are canonical in Chinese Buddhism but not in other traditions were composed in China for Chinese audiences. You can research this yourself if you are interested.
Do you have any evidence that any of the Pali or Tibetan redactors composed sutras? And if we suppose for the sake of argument that they did: what would that have to do with the topic at hand? Even if any of the Pali or Tibetan canon is apocryphal, you'd still find scarcely anything in it on the topic of family life for laypersons. This question looks like our old friend whataboutism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
What about them? How are these ancient schools relevant to the discussion at hand? Again: this looks like whataboutism, comrade.What about the other 17-23 ancient schools and their positing of sexual behavior in regards to right action?
And the same boundaries to discussion apply in the case of vegetarianism being mandatory for Buddhists.
This is a position adopted by certain Sutras accepted by Chinese Buddhists but by few others.
Chinese and Indo-Tibetan Buddhists can co exist..but not when either group claim that theirs is the exclusive truth.
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I'm not Malcolm, but I would like to propose an answer to your questions. First: scholars use evidence and reason to make their claims. The consensus of scholars is that there have been a number of sutras that are canonical in Chinese Buddhism but not in other traditions were composed in China for Chinese audiences. You can research this yourself if you are interested.
Do you have any evidence that any of the Pali or Tibetan redactors composed sutras? And if we suppose for the sake of argument that they did: what would that have to do with the topic at hand? Even if any of the Pali or Tibetan canon is apocryphal, you'd still find scarcely anything in it on the topic of family life for laypersons. This question looks like our old friend whataboutism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
What about them? How are these ancient schools relevant to the discussion at hand? Again: this looks like whataboutism, comrade.What about the other 17-23 ancient schools and their positing of sexual behavior in regards to right action?
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Hello DGA,
Thank you for clarification sir.
This is not about "whataboutism"......
it IS about saying: "Look, the Dharma of today says many things from both the ancient schools and Mahayana. What did they say EN TOTO?"
THAT gives the most comprehensive view about Sexuality, Marriage, Promiscuity and the Dharma.
Thanks,
Stefos
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Thank you Johnny for posting.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:08 am Here's a bit that I imagine almost any Buddhist would agree on:
https://accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an ... .than.html
THIS hyperlink helps me.
Stefos
P.S. The reason, again, I posted here was to get a simple answer to Right Action insofar as SMP and the Dharma is concerned...That's it.