Bumpa
- Thomas Amundsen
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Re: Bumpa
I'm pretty sure it should be saffron water. Also pretty sure the deity vase should have bumzey in it as well. I don't have any definitive source for you, but that's what I've learned and how I practice based on my teachers' instructions.
Re: Bumpa
There are two vases, typically. One is the activity vase, the contents of which are visualized as wrathful deities.
The other vase is the as mentioned above, the vase that represents the mandala. It contents are visualized as the deity, mandala, and celestial mansion. It is from the latter vase one receives the vase empowerment related to the creation stage.
Re: Bumpa
Garchen Rinpoche uses a bumpa with a deity card attached to it for the vase empowerment. If they use a second vase, it's not obvious. Unless it is the one they use to give purification water to the attendees. ThanksMalcolm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:38 pm
There are two vases, typically. One is the activity vase, the contents of which are visualized as wrathful deities.
The other vase is the as mentioned above, the vase that represents the mandala. It contents are visualized as the deity, mandala, and celestial mansion. It is from the latter vase one receives the vase empowerment related to the creation stage.
Re: Bumpa
The activity vase is used in the empowerment preparations, you won't see it used much during the actual empowerment.Lhasa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:49 pmGarchen Rinpoche uses a bumpa with a deity card attached to it for the vase empowerment. If they use a second vase, it's not obvious. Unless it is the one they use to give purification water to the attendees. ThanksMalcolm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:38 pm
There are two vases, typically. One is the activity vase, the contents of which are visualized as wrathful deities.
The other vase is the as mentioned above, the vase that represents the mandala. It contents are visualized as the deity, mandala, and celestial mansion. It is from the latter vase one receives the vase empowerment related to the creation stage.
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Re: Bumpa
And if Grace Jones was receiving an empowerment she would say ...
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Re: Bumpa
Besides including saffron and bum-dze, the activity vase needs to be consecrated before use. (Loppon/Malcolm alluded to this.) Please get the relevant liturgy and visualization from your Teacher. Generally, the activity vase can be refilled five times before needing to start over. Also Bum-dze 25 is for the activity vase and Bum-dze 35 is for the empowerment vase. These should not be confused. Bum-dze 35 contains the same 25 ingredients as Bum-dze 25 but then also the five meats and five amrits.
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Re: Bumpa
It almost always is that vase, yes. You'll notice it's also used to bless the "gektor" or preliminary torma at the very beginning of many empowerments, as well.Lhasa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:49 pmGarchen Rinpoche uses a bumpa with a deity card attached to it for the vase empowerment. If they use a second vase, it's not obvious. Unless it is the one they use to give purification water to the attendees. ThanksMalcolm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:38 pm
There are two vases, typically. One is the activity vase, the contents of which are visualized as wrathful deities.
The other vase is the as mentioned above, the vase that represents the mandala. It contents are visualized as the deity, mandala, and celestial mansion. It is from the latter vase one receives the vase empowerment related to the creation stage.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: Bumpa
PuerAzaelis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:00 pm And if Grace Jones was receiving an empowerment she would say ...
Dude, I can't believe you went there ...
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Re: Bumpa
Sorry, sorry, I figure I am already bound for hell anyway ...dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:47 pmPuerAzaelis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:00 pm And if Grace Jones was receiving an empowerment she would say ...
Dude, I can't believe you went there ...
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Re: Bumpa
This is not for empowerment, just for my home shrine. My lama is not in town often and then very busy with lots of supplicants, so I feel awkward asking him about this--it seems rather superficial.
Dzoki, does one obtain bumzey from one's lama, or is there a recipe?
Dzoki, does one obtain bumzey from one's lama, or is there a recipe?
Re: Bumpa
You don't need a Bumpa for your home shrine, unless a lama is coming to bless your house.tomfelt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:45 pm This is not for empowerment, just for my home shrine. My lama is not in town often and then very busy with lots of supplicants, so I feel awkward asking him about this--it seems rather superficial.
Dzoki, does one obtain bumzey from one's lama, or is there a recipe?
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Re: Bumpa
Tom, Bum-dze can be purchased from www.potalagate.com run by Lama Jigme in Oregon.
I differ in opinion with Loppon about having a bumpa at home. This is a good part of your shrine, although not indispensable. Perhaps Loppon was thinking that one needs to know how to consecrate the bumpa, not just put bum-dze in it. Consecrating it is best, but you can also just use pure water. For instance, if you don't have a bumpa, you can just use a glass of water with a flower stalk or even just a stalk of greenery in it. Lacking even a flower or a stalk of greenery, you can use a spoon. The idea/practice of purifying one's offerings with water is a good one, Lama or "layperson."
For instance, when you say RAM, you can wave a stick of lit incense over your offerings, the incense symbolizing fire burning away impurities. Then you can wave a peacock feather/s and/or kusha grass over your offerings, blowing away the ashes of impurity when you say YAM, and finally, when you say KHAM, you can sprinkle your offerings with water. Then OM, AH, HUNG etc.
I differ in opinion with Loppon about having a bumpa at home. This is a good part of your shrine, although not indispensable. Perhaps Loppon was thinking that one needs to know how to consecrate the bumpa, not just put bum-dze in it. Consecrating it is best, but you can also just use pure water. For instance, if you don't have a bumpa, you can just use a glass of water with a flower stalk or even just a stalk of greenery in it. Lacking even a flower or a stalk of greenery, you can use a spoon. The idea/practice of purifying one's offerings with water is a good one, Lama or "layperson."
For instance, when you say RAM, you can wave a stick of lit incense over your offerings, the incense symbolizing fire burning away impurities. Then you can wave a peacock feather/s and/or kusha grass over your offerings, blowing away the ashes of impurity when you say YAM, and finally, when you say KHAM, you can sprinkle your offerings with water. Then OM, AH, HUNG etc.
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Re: Bumpa
True, no doubt, for most people, but you could be doing a practice with vase generation, when you should really have one. But by the time you get to that stage, you would probably have learnt what you need to know about it.
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Re: Bumpa
If you are doing practices that involve vase generation, you basically are a lama.
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Re: Bumpa
Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:57 pmIf you are doing practices that involve vase generation, you basically are a lama.
I've noted that in many Tibetan households you'll find a bumpa on the shrine, which laypeople use for "Chab" (blessing the daily shrine offerings in the morning). Of course, if one understands the actual procedure for such things, one should know the Vase Generation practice, including the blessing and visualization for the Activity Vase prior to blessing offerings, etc. I suppose it's a cultural thing, and many who have vases don't actually do the vase generation, but I can't know in every specific case. Certainly, in most Sarma Drupchos, the BumKye phases are done by all practitioners, Lamas and disciples both--but the Loppon holds the ZungTak. And of course the ultimate reason for the BumKye is to bestow empowerment, whether on others, or on oneself. Whether one is "allowed" to do Dak Zhuk, but not empower others, would be a more appropriate dividing line between "lamas" and Sadhakas, I think.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")