Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
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Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
It seems that the network of modern technology, electricity, internet, etc has joined up the world and this is really great for human communication.
Whilst shunning these benefits seems virtuous for the environment, do you think this independence would be a form of exclusion from your progress towards liberation ?
Whilst shunning these benefits seems virtuous for the environment, do you think this independence would be a form of exclusion from your progress towards liberation ?
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
I don't know if living off the grid is, in all instances or even most, a better choice environmentally. has anyone studied this?
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
Not in terms of carbon usage. Wood heat is pretty bad in terms of large particulate pollution.DGA wrote:I don't know if living off the grid is, in all instances or even most, a better choice environmentally. has anyone studied this?
A few years ago, large areas of Conneticut were left without power in the winter (Hurricane Sandy), so much so, that there were severe air pollution warnings from wood burning.
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
You don't have to burn wood for heat. You just have to plan ahead and use passive heating. See Earthships, although this is only one solution.Malcolm wrote:Not in terms of carbon usage. Wood heat is pretty bad in terms of large particulate pollution.DGA wrote:I don't know if living off the grid is, in all instances or even most, a better choice environmentally. has anyone studied this?
Technology makes living off the grid ecologically safe. we just have to use carbon neutral or even carbon negative design.
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Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
Most off-the-gridders live in rural areas, often remote areas. Earthships are a feature of the landscape in New Mexico, where population density is very, very low, for example. The carbon footprint of rural life is significantly higher due to an increased need for transport, for example.
related: one of the ironies of mass-produced food production and distribution is that locally-grown produce at one's farmer's market can be more carbon intensive than, say, the produce that has been trucked in en masse from across the country. This is in part because agribusiness hires data analysts and bean counters with gimlet eyes to ensure that every square inch of a 53' refrigerated trailer is maximized.
related: one of the ironies of mass-produced food production and distribution is that locally-grown produce at one's farmer's market can be more carbon intensive than, say, the produce that has been trucked in en masse from across the country. This is in part because agribusiness hires data analysts and bean counters with gimlet eyes to ensure that every square inch of a 53' refrigerated trailer is maximized.
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
Best thing you could do for the environment would be to stay wherever you and embrace a minimalist lifestyle. You're mind and wallet will be happier for it too.
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Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
This off the grid lifestyle interests me too for it is a slower, more aware way of living where there is less waste and more do it yourself ingenuity involved. Since there are satellites everywhere, with wind turbine generated and battery stored power, internet service is available even in mountainous or desert remote areas. It's good to have some connection to civilization for news/info. and emergency usages for weather/medical. Is anyone here living a more natural existence?
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
Technology can help in living off the grid, if you don't mind living in an egg.
https://www.ecocapsule.sk
https://www.ecocapsule.sk
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Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
So many ways to answer your post ...WendyDarling wrote:This off the grid lifestyle interests me too for it is a slower, more aware way of living where there is less waste and more do it yourself ingenuity involved. Since there are satellites everywhere, with wind turbine generated and battery stored power, internet service is available even in mountainous or desert remote areas. It's good to have some connection to civilization for news/info. and emergency usages for weather/medical.
You seem to be thinking of a self-sufficient household. If so, the technology to make it work is available and fairly well understood but still improving. The easiest option is to find a traditional farmhouse on 10 acres or so and retrofit it with solar panels (wind turbine optional), battery storage and satellite data/phone/tv etc. It should have its own water supply; if not, you will need a tank and maybe a dam or bore.
BUT be prepared for long hours growing your own food, butchering your own animals, making your own clothing and furniture, repairing your own machinery ... how independent do you want to be? What skills do you have?
AND if you can't be totally independent, you need a cash flow - working off-property for money, logging in to online work, or producing something you can sell (honey, veggies, crafts, etc).
It all adds up to a lot of work. There are good reasons poor rural people are flocking to the cities in their millions.
More natural than what?Is anyone here living a more natural existence?
Most people who want to make the change do end up with a compromise, because going all the way is much too hard to be attractive or even practical. So long as you plan for it, that's fine - and you can pick your levels of independence and technology.
For instance, I grew up on a farm (which is how I know how hard it is), moved to a big city, and have settled in a comfortably in-between lifestyle: small (by world standards) provincial city, traditional house with solar panels and passive solar hot water but still on the grid, growing some food but buying most of it, doing a lot of my own household maintenance but paying for anything too big or complicated ... it works for me.
Kim
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
It won't be long before it will be unrealistic to live on-grid.
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
I don't think that will happen in our lifetime.Grigoris wrote:It won't be long before it will be unrealistic to live on-grid.
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
It is already happening in our lifetime to countless people due to poverty.shaunc wrote:I don't think that will happen in our lifetime.Grigoris wrote:It won't be long before it will be unrealistic to live on-grid.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
A tempting gizmo, but as their FAQ says:boda wrote:Technology can help in living off the grid, if you don't mind living in an egg.
https://www.ecocapsule.sk
So for a retreat or long vacation, but actual living for many years - nope, not yet.The Ecocapsule is designed for extended off-grid living for up to a year for 1 – 2 people.
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Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
70 friggin' K for a piece of plastic and steel that'll last a friggin' year?Nicholas Weeks wrote:A tempting gizmo, but as their FAQ says:boda wrote:Technology can help in living off the grid, if you don't mind living in an egg.
https://www.ecocapsule.sk
So for a retreat or long vacation, but actual living for many years - nope, not yet.The Ecocapsule is designed for extended off-grid living for up to a year for 1 – 2 people.
Strictly for the white upwardly mobile ecologist!
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
Things like solar panels, D.i.Y wind turbines, batteries for storage and good permaculture know how mean that living off grid is as realistic as you're willing to commit to the lifestyle changes.
There's a bunch of stuff on YouTube. Both traditional homesteads and more modernized approaches.
There's a bunch of stuff on YouTube. Both traditional homesteads and more modernized approaches.
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Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
Well you could go the DIY route, like Dick Proenneke did back in the days:
Short clip, main action starts a couple minutes in. There's a part 2 on the same channel I believe, full documentary used to be on YouTube many times but due to copyright issues it's always been removed.
Anyways, no plastic to be found there.
Short clip, main action starts a couple minutes in. There's a part 2 on the same channel I believe, full documentary used to be on YouTube many times but due to copyright issues it's always been removed.
Anyways, no plastic to be found there.
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Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
What the heck happens to it after a year? It starts falling apart?Nicholas Weeks wrote:A tempting gizmo, but as their FAQ says:boda wrote:Technology can help in living off the grid, if you don't mind living in an egg.
https://www.ecocapsule.sk
So for a retreat or long vacation, but actual living for many years - nope, not yet.The Ecocapsule is designed for extended off-grid living for up to a year for 1 – 2 people.
Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
It's actually made of fiberglass and aluminum, which may explain the expiration date. Fiberglass contains formaldehyde, a toxin. The expiration date is for the occupant, not the egg.Grigoris wrote:70 friggin' K for a piece of plastic and steel that'll last a friggin' year?Nicholas Weeks wrote:A tempting gizmo, but as their FAQ says:boda wrote:Technology can help in living off the grid, if you don't mind living in an egg.
https://www.ecocapsule.sk
So for a retreat or long vacation, but actual living for many years - nope, not yet.The Ecocapsule is designed for extended off-grid living for up to a year for 1 – 2 people.
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What the heck happens to it after a year? It starts falling apart?[/quote]tomamundsen wrote:So for a retreat or long vacation, but actual living for many years - nope, not yet.The Ecocapsule is designed for extended off-grid living for up to a year for 1 – 2 people.
Most people seem to read it like this: you can live off-grid in it for up to a year -- then the off-griddness is no longer guaranteed.
Bloody expensive. The eco-friendliness of the materials worries me, too. A cleverly-made passive house (or its more up-to-date equivalent) would be a much better choice.
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Re: Is living off-grid realistic in today's technological age?
Most people seem to read it like this: you can live off-grid in it for up to a year -- then the off-griddness is no longer guaranteed.treehuggingoctopus wrote:What the heck happens to it after a year? It starts falling apart?tomamundsen wrote:So for a retreat or long vacation, but actual living for many years - nope, not yet.The Ecocapsule is designed for extended off-grid living for up to a year for 1 – 2 people.
Bloody expensive. The eco-friendliness of the materials worries me, too. A cleverly-made passive house (or its more up-to-date equivalent) would be a much better choice.[/quote]
Any idea what specifically breaks regarding its off grid capabilities? The unique thing about this vs a house is its mobility.