Chod Damaru vs standard Damaru
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Chod Damaru vs standard Damaru
It's time to buy a damaru, and I see at least two different types being sold (besides the small ones). What's the functional difference between a chod damaru and regular damaru?
Is it permissible to use a chod damaru for any practice/ceremony such as Throma or other deity practices? (Assuming one has the necessary transmissions for the practices.)
Is it permissible to use a chod damaru for any practice/ceremony such as Throma or other deity practices? (Assuming one has the necessary transmissions for the practices.)
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No they are for different purposes and not interchangeable.
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Thank you. So what distinguishes a 'chod' damaru from a regular one? Are there other kinds as well?Tsultrim T. wrote:No they are for different purposes and not interchangeable.
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Chod damarus are bigger. Therefore, they can be played more slowly, to keep rhythm with the liturgy. They have a deeper, lower pitch as well.
Regular Damarus are used sometimes to keep rhythm, if one is practicing alone, but more often they are used for specific musical sections involved with your sadhana, invocation, offerings, Tashi, etc. For some practices, only the Vajra Master uses a damaru in group practice, while for other group practices every participant should have a damaru and play it appropriately.
Regular Damarus are used sometimes to keep rhythm, if one is practicing alone, but more often they are used for specific musical sections involved with your sadhana, invocation, offerings, Tashi, etc. For some practices, only the Vajra Master uses a damaru in group practice, while for other group practices every participant should have a damaru and play it appropriately.
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Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Re: Chod Damaru vs standard Damaru
At a center I visited recently, I noticed a type of damaru that differed from the usual skull or skull-shaped wood ones (the kind with corners) in that it was small--maybe six or eight cm (3-4 in) in diameter--but round like a chod damaru. I'd never seen one like this before. Ideas on what that's about?
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This sounds like a Bonpo style damaru. Not commonly used in practices of the Buddhist schools. Also often times the best damarus or chod drums have mantras inscribed on the inner vessel parts which correspond to specific lineages and practices. Another reason why one would not want to interchange them.DGA wrote:At a center I visited recently, I noticed a type of damaru that differed from the usual skull or skull-shaped wood ones (the kind with corners) in that it was small--maybe six or eight cm (3-4 in) in diameter--but round like a chod damaru. I'd never seen one like this before. Ideas on what that's about?
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So just to be clear a chod drum should not be used for other practices as mentioned above? Also can someone please recommend a good place to purchase one. Thanks!
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If one, understand certain circumstances, can't buy a damaru, can they use a substitute like a different drum(such as Korean Janggu)? Or no need and just do the prayers?
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I could not tell you where the best place to purchase one would be but if I were you I would try some out and see what feels right before buying - if that is an option for you. I have a monster damaru that I got years ago from Sharchen and ChNN blessed it so now I use that - but if I had to do it over again I would have chosen something a little smaller and lighter.
I noticed the Ngagpa Yeshe Dorje had a small stick which he used to balance the large and heavy drum on as he performed chod. He was getting older at that point (1993?) but even The Terminator's hand and arm would get tired after 2 hours I suspect.
It takes some time to learn how to play it at the (slow) speed. It takes some time to add the bell to that. And the kangling. And all the words of the sadhana etc etc.
I noticed the Ngagpa Yeshe Dorje had a small stick which he used to balance the large and heavy drum on as he performed chod. He was getting older at that point (1993?) but even The Terminator's hand and arm would get tired after 2 hours I suspect.
It takes some time to learn how to play it at the (slow) speed. It takes some time to add the bell to that. And the kangling. And all the words of the sadhana etc etc.
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A bro bought one here at the chagdud gonpa
https://tibetantreasures.com/collections/drums
The cheapest is ok. The 500usd seems great.
Another choice can be
https://akaracollection.com/products/chod-damaru
Or you can ask a DW fellow that haves one for sale, want to travel to Nepal, etc.i got mine that way.
https://tibetantreasures.com/collections/drums
The cheapest is ok. The 500usd seems great.
Another choice can be
https://akaracollection.com/products/chod-damaru
Or you can ask a DW fellow that haves one for sale, want to travel to Nepal, etc.i got mine that way.
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Dudjom tradition of Troma uses the chod drum in its liturgies.
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And Potala Gate seems to have some beautiful drums and reasonably priced:
https://potalagate.com/search?q=chod
But I agree with TA - not at all necessary for the practice, really - but very effective for driving the neighbors mad.
https://potalagate.com/search?q=chod
But I agree with TA - not at all necessary for the practice, really - but very effective for driving the neighbors mad.
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I was under the impression that Throma practice is a chod practice.RoadToPines wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:03 pmIs it permissible to use a chod damaru for any practice/ceremony such as Throma or other deity practices? (Assuming one has the necessary transmissions for the practices.)
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Thomas Amundsen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:14 pmMy teachers have told me the drums, horns, etc. are all completely optional.
I agree and have heard the same, however I was told directly by Drupon Lama Karma that a Chod Damaru was absolutely required for wrathful Chod.
Hope this helps!
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What's wrathful Chod? The context of what I said previously was Dudjom Troma.Sherab Rigdrol wrote: ↑Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:13 amI agree and have heard the same, however I was told directly by Drupon Lama Karma that a Chod Damaru was absolutely required for wrathful Chod.Thomas Amundsen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:14 pmMy teachers have told me the drums, horns, etc. are all completely optional.
Hope this helps!
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My impression is that the question is "Is it permissible to buy only a single damaru that I can use for both Troma (who is wrathful no doubt - it's her name!) as well as other deity practices, and invocations, and so on??" - I'm no lama but I would say that you are going to have an awfully sore hand if you do that - buy a second damaru that is small if you would like to use it for other practices.Grigoris wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:52 pmI was under the impression that Throma practice is a chod practice.RoadToPines wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:03 pmIs it permissible to use a chod damaru for any practice/ceremony such as Throma or other deity practices? (Assuming one has the necessary transmissions for the practices.)
Here's a sheep damaru you could use for that - but it will set you back $$$
https://potalagate.com/products/1186449458
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I have a chod damaru for sale at discount if anyone is interested.
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He didn't go into specifics. I had asked him if damaru and kangling were necessary for Chod and that's what he said.Thomas Amundsen wrote: ↑Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:26 amWhat's wrathful Chod? The context of what I said previously was Dudjom Troma.Sherab Rigdrol wrote: ↑Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:13 amI agree and have heard the same, however I was told directly by Drupon Lama Karma that a Chod Damaru was absolutely required for wrathful Chod.Thomas Amundsen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:14 pm
My teachers have told me the drums, horns, etc. are all completely optional.
Hope this helps!