The Precious Treasury of the Expanse and Awakened Awareness: The Ornaments of the Definitive Secret

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The Precious Treasury of the Expanse and Awakened Awareness: The Ornaments of the Definitive Secret

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This massive volume is the third masterpiece in Shar rdza Rinpoche’s trilogy on Bon Great Completion meditation. It is a detailed exposition of Great Completion across twenty one extensive chapters. The opening chapter states of Buddha-nature is inherent to all sentient beings. It also elucidates the 85 positive qualities of the completely purified mind. The second chapter reviews various kinds of pith instructions in the oral tradition, the tantras, and in Great Completion. The third chapter is a detailed discussion of various tantric practices with seed-syllables, sounds, initiations and gift-waves of influence, mandala visualizations, the accumulation and accomplishment stages of generation tantras. The fifth chapter is a detailed discussion of the kinds of spiritual duties required in different practices. The sixth and seventh chapters entail an extensive discussion of the natural state and universal ground and the way appearances arise from this universal ground. The eighth and ninth chapters sets out the sacred physical body—the channels, chakras, energy drops and winds and the unique channel system of the Lamps practice, as well as explaining the pith instructions regarding the practices related to the sacred body. Chapter ten describe the ordinary deluded world of sentient beings, the five elements and their manner of liberation through pointing out the expanse of the dharmakaya. Chapter eleven delineates the Great Completion path of liberation and the fruition of this path. It contains detailed instructions on various emptiness meditations, concentrative evenness, and practices to destroy habitual karmic tendencies and to liberation the mind-stream, and dispelling mistakes and obscurations along the path of liberation, and elucidating the stages along the path according to the capacity of the student. Chapters twelve and thirteen are a general introduction to Bon Great Completion meditation—the mind-, space-, and pith instruction-series of teachings. Chapter fourteen is a detailed explanation of how the pith instructions work in thoroughly cutting through Great Completion practice. Emphasis is given to the importance of ‘not-doing’ instructions for cross-over from ordinary mind to awakened mind, and the manner of liberation to the three-fold embodiment of enlightenment. Chapter fifteen is a detailed explanation of how the pith instructions work in by-passing Great Completion meditation. It begins with a detailed account of the differences between thoroughly cutting through and by-passing practice. It contains a detailed explanation of the Lamps by-passing practice. Chapter 16 elucidates the most secret essential points in by-passing practice, the levels of by-passing visions, and nailing the attainment. Chapter 17 is an explanation of dark retreat by-passing practice. Chapter eighteen presents a pointing out/pith instruction approach to a two pathway system—the path of delusion and samsara and the path of liberation and enlightenment. Emphasis is on the more refined close-to-heart determination as compared with standard pointing out pith instructions. Chapter nineteen discuss the signs of meditative progress expected along the by-passing Great Completion path of liberation. This includes a rare exposition of the four ways to attain rainbow body while dying. Chapter twenty is a detailed review of practices used during dying and the after-death bardos of dharmadhatu and rebirth. The last, twenty first chapter explains the fruition, Buddhahood in some detail—the ground of liberation, the manner of liberation, the process of dharmadhatu exhaustion, how enlightened intention manifests for the advanced practitioner, and how the three-fold embodiment of enlightenment and the primordial wisdoms directly manifest.






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The book was already mentioned in another thread. I feel this precious teachings over 1000 pages needs own thread. So that those interest can find it easily.
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gelukman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:57 pm I feel this precious teachings over 1000 pages needs own thread. So that those interest can find it easily.
The dByings-rig mdzod is indeed a precious teaching (obviously the opus magnum of Shardza Rinpoche) but this translation is so wrong in too numerous places to be a good reference for learning and practicing.
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mutsuk wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:14 pm
gelukman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:57 pm I feel this precious teachings over 1000 pages needs own thread. So that those interest can find it easily.
The dByings-rig mdzod is indeed a precious teaching (obviously the opus magnum of Shardza Rinpoche) but this translation is so wrong in too numerous places to be a good reference for learning and practicing.
Perhaps an example would be apropos. Not that I doubt you, but others may.
"Conceptuality is great ignorance,
causing one to fall into the ocean of samsāra."
—Māyājālamahātantra
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Malcolm wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:57 pm Perhaps an example would be apropos. Not that I doubt you, but others may.
I just opened the book randomly and put my finger on the page with closed eyes. My finger pointed the last paragraph on p. 751 :

(P. 751) It is the final endpoint to be-accomplished, and therefore it is the fruition. This is what it taken as the path. Therefore, it is called the “fruition path.” If we were to categorize that, we can follow after what is said by the great teacher Drenpa Namkha in his Nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod [Treasury of the Magical Display of Space) where it says, “The practitioner of Great Completion who accepts the difference as being self-arising, with a knife cuts the rope of everything to-be-known, and such a practitioner of Great Completion self-liberates everything into the source, the universal ground just as it is. Through that you set up [the mind] on the essential point, namely (p. 752) awakened awareness. Two things are shown. The first has ten schools of thoughts.”

The original in tibetan says (vol. II, p. 81) :

de nyid bsgrub bya mthar thug pas ‘bras bu yin la/ de lam du byed pa la ‘bras bu lam byed pa zhes bya’o/ de la dbye na slob dpon chen po dran pa nam mkhas nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod du bkod pa’i rjes su ‘brang nas/ ‘dod pa tha dad pa rang shar ba’i rdzogs pa chen pos shes bya ‘gris thag bcad pa dang gzhi ci bzhin nyid kyi skye mched du rang grol ba’i rdzogs pa chen pos rig pa gnad la dbab pa dang gnyis su bstan pa las/ dang po la sde bcur yod de/ nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod las/...

But just having a look at the opening homages of the book and the intention of the author following these homages are "good" examples of how problematic these renderings are... I am not criticising the choice of vocabulary (that's a personal choice and taste) but feel rather concerned with the understanding of the grammar.
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mutsuk wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:34 pm
Malcolm wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:57 pm Perhaps an example would be apropos. Not that I doubt you, but others may.
I just opened the book randomly and put my finger on the page with closed eyes. My finger pointed the last paragraph on p. 751 :

(P. 751) It is the final endpoint to be-accomplished, and therefore it is the fruition. This is what it taken as the path. Therefore, it is called the “fruition path.” If we were to categorize that, we can follow after what is said by the great teacher Drenpa Namkha in his Nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod [Treasury of the Magical Display of Space) where it says, “The practitioner of Great Completion who accepts the difference as being self-arising, with a knife cuts the rope of everything to-be-known, and such a practitioner of Great Completion self-liberates everything into the source, the universal ground just as it is. Through that you set up [the mind] on the essential point, namely (p. 752) awakened awareness. Two things are shown. The first has ten schools of thoughts.”

The original in tibetan says (vol. II, p. 81) :

de nyid bsgrub bya mthar thug pas ‘bras bu yin la/ de lam du byed pa la ‘bras bu lam byed pa zhes bya’o/ de la dbye na slob dpon chen po dran pa nam mkhas nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod du bkod pa’i rjes su ‘brang nas/ ‘dod pa tha dad pa rang shar ba’i rdzogs pa chen pos shes bya ‘gris thag bcad pa dang gzhi ci bzhin nyid kyi skye mched du rang grol ba’i rdzogs pa chen pos rig pa gnad la dbab pa dang gnyis su bstan pa las/ dang po la sde bcur yod de/ nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod las/...

But just having a look at the opening homages of the book and the intention of the author following these homages are "good" examples of how problematic these renderings are... I am not criticising the choice of vocabulary (that's a personal choice and taste) but feel rather concerned with the understanding of the grammar.
Yes, even this much somewhat incorrectly rendered:

It is the final endpoint to be-accomplished, and therefore it is the fruition. This is what it taken as the path. Therefore, it is called the “fruition path.”

de nyid bsgrub bya mthar thug pas ‘bras bu yin la/ de lam du byed pa la ‘bras bu lam byed pa zhes bya’o/

It should be something like:

"Since that is culmination of what is to be accomplished, it is the result. That is employed as the path, [hence it is] called "employing the result [as] the path."
"Conceptuality is great ignorance,
causing one to fall into the ocean of samsāra."
—Māyājālamahātantra
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Malcolm wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:18 pm
mutsuk wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:34 pm
Malcolm wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:57 pm Perhaps an example would be apropos. Not that I doubt you, but others may.
I just opened the book randomly and put my finger on the page with closed eyes. My finger pointed the last paragraph on p. 751 :

(P. 751) It is the final endpoint to be-accomplished, and therefore it is the fruition. This is what it taken as the path. Therefore, it is called the “fruition path.” If we were to categorize that, we can follow after what is said by the great teacher Drenpa Namkha in his Nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod [Treasury of the Magical Display of Space) where it says, “The practitioner of Great Completion who accepts the difference as being self-arising, with a knife cuts the rope of everything to-be-known, and such a practitioner of Great Completion self-liberates everything into the source, the universal ground just as it is. Through that you set up [the mind] on the essential point, namely (p. 752) awakened awareness. Two things are shown. The first has ten schools of thoughts.”

The original in tibetan says (vol. II, p. 81) :

de nyid bsgrub bya mthar thug pas ‘bras bu yin la/ de lam du byed pa la ‘bras bu lam byed pa zhes bya’o/ de la dbye na slob dpon chen po dran pa nam mkhas nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod du bkod pa’i rjes su ‘brang nas/ ‘dod pa tha dad pa rang shar ba’i rdzogs pa chen pos shes bya ‘gris thag bcad pa dang gzhi ci bzhin nyid kyi skye mched du rang grol ba’i rdzogs pa chen pos rig pa gnad la dbab pa dang gnyis su bstan pa las/ dang po la sde bcur yod de/ nam mkha’ ‘phrul mdzod las/...

But just having a look at the opening homages of the book and the intention of the author following these homages are "good" examples of how problematic these renderings are... I am not criticising the choice of vocabulary (that's a personal choice and taste) but feel rather concerned with the understanding of the grammar.
Yes, even this much somewhat incorrectly rendered:

It is the final endpoint to be-accomplished, and therefore it is the fruition. This is what it taken as the path. Therefore, it is called the “fruition path.”

de nyid bsgrub bya mthar thug pas ‘bras bu yin la/ de lam du byed pa la ‘bras bu lam byed pa zhes bya’o/

It should be something like:

"Since that is culmination of what is to be accomplished, it is the result. That is employed as the path, [hence it is] called "employing the result [as] the path."
Indeed. For me the worst part was the one that directly follows, where Mr Brown did not recognize the heading of two chapters from the Namkha Trüldzö (rang shar ba'i rdzogs pa chen po and rang grol ba'i rdzogs pa chen po), not to mention the 'gris thag bcad pa ("with a knife cuts the rope of ...") which is obviously to be corrected into gras/gros thag bcad pa (resolve, decide, understand) which Mr Brown could have least had guessed since this quite frequent expression is in dictionaries...
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mutsuk wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:31 pm not to mention the 'gris thag bcad pa ("with a knife cuts the rope of ...") which is obviously to be corrected into gras/gros thag bcad pa (resolve, decide, understand) which Mr Brown could have least had guessed since this quite frequent expression is in dictionaries...
Yup. In translation, missing by an inch is the same as missing by a mile. Well, you know what they say, caveat emptor.
"Conceptuality is great ignorance,
causing one to fall into the ocean of samsāra."
—Māyājālamahātantra
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Well the translators have in this case decided to use these words.
Of course it may not please the bibliophiles or poets.
Practitioners practice and keep it simple.
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gelukman wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:12 am Well the translators have in this case decided to use these words.
Of course it may not please the bibliophiles or poets.
Practitioners practice and keep it simple.
This is not the problem. The problem is that the main translator does not understand classical tibetan enough to produce a translation that is correct (no matter the choice of vocabulary). Brown's translations of Bon works that I have been able to read are replete with mistakes on each page. What you read in this book is Brown's limited understanding, not Shardza Rinpoche's authentic knowledge. So yes, practitioners can keep it simple for their own good, so long as they don't rely on something that is basically wrong throughout.
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gelukman wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:12 am Well the translators have in this case decided to use these words.
Of course it may not please the bibliophiles or poets.
Practitioners practice and keep it simple.
The problem is this: these translations are not peer-reviewed. They are self-published. Mutsuk is not criticizing them purely out of spite, but rather out of a concern that practitioners have accurate information at their disposal.
"Conceptuality is great ignorance,
causing one to fall into the ocean of samsāra."
—Māyājālamahātantra
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