Question about inherent existence

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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:32 am
Crazywisdom wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:10 pm I didn't say Buddhism is antiquated. I said Vajrayana is light years advanced, while Buddhist philosophy is antiquated and frankly stupid.
Perhaps I am not clear on what you mean by “Buddhist philosophy”.
What are you referring to, exactly?
Madhyamaka. Yogacara. The shastras.
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Damchö_Dorje wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:58 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:43 amOnly India can revive Vajrayana, because only India has that fluid conscious which fixes nothing as true, except the mind.
Can you elaborate on this? What would it mean in your view to "revive Vajrayana"?
Practiced like it was in India when it was widespread out to Indonesia with the kind of investment that could construct Borobodur.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:52 am
PadmaVonSamba wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:32 am
Crazywisdom wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:10 pm I didn't say Buddhism is antiquated. I said Vajrayana is light years advanced, while Buddhist philosophy is antiquated and frankly stupid.
Perhaps I am not clear on what you mean by “Buddhist philosophy”.
What are you referring to, exactly?
Madhyamaka. Yogacara. The shastras.
But why do you think they are they antiquated and stupid? Is it because they basically reflect specific debates that in many cases have been resolved by modern science? Things like that?
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:48 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:52 am
PadmaVonSamba wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:32 am
Perhaps I am not clear on what you mean by “Buddhist philosophy”.
What are you referring to, exactly?
Madhyamaka. Yogacara. The shastras.
But why do you think they are they antiquated and stupid? Is it because they basically reflect specific debates that in many cases have been resolved by modern science? Things like that?
Wait. I was having a bad day. Actually, I just realized it's not logic. It's metaphysics. And as metaphysics it can be analyzed from a logical standpoint. What you end up with is nonconfirmability, because it's beyond logic. The Buddha who won't answer. But as metaphysics it's experiential and infinite. As experience it's aesthetic, joyful, beautiful. The problem is suffering. The path is joyful. The problem is not reality or truth.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:51 am
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:32 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:10 pm
Oh no. I have a complete Vajrayana education, lam rim, ngondro, empowerments, retreats, wandering, the works. You need to be clear about my argument. I didn't say Buddhism is antiquated. I said Vajrayana is light years advanced, while Buddhist philosophy is antiquated and frankly stupid

Now I defy you to show how Vasubandhu or Nagarjuna draws crowds at your center. I built a center. I paid for the whole center. It's Drikung Kagyu in San Francisco. I know what centers are.

They come for the bliss of mantras. Nothing else matters.
The most popular groups at my center are book groups on Madhymaka and Yogcara texts.

It’s kind of weird because the book group and the Vajrayana group are not the same people, but I can say that the book groups are consistently more popular at my center than Pujas, or anything related to Vajrayana. I think alot depends on local demographics.
That's interesting. I would never have thought that. Where do you live?
Olympia, Washington. At least where I live, the main demographic for Buddhist stuff is as or more into study than practice. Vajrayana practice is not popular here at all. Sakya monatery in Seattle (to which my center is connected, we've even ate Super Buffet with Sakya Trizen 41 lol) though I think the public Pujas were well attended pre Covid.

I'm just saying, there are lots of Buddhist people into book-learnin in my circles.
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The NItartha Institute offers advanced studies in the Seattle area. There are quite a few serious students, classes are well attended.

https://nitarthainstitute.org/
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