Are Zen teachers awakened?

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"But, this minimizing of kensho was also the general stance within the Soto line. Huston Smith tells of visiting the renowned Shunryu Suzuki Roshi, how, “When, four months before his death, I had the opportunity to ask him why satori didn’t figure in his book, his wife leaned toward me and whispered impishly, ‘It’s because he hasn’t had it’; whereupon the Roshi batted his fan at her in mock consternation and with finger to his lips hissed, ‘Shhhh! Don’t tell him!’ When our laughter had subsided, he said simply, ‘It’s not that satori is unimportant, but it’s not the part of Zen that needs to be stressed.’”

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Being a zen teacher doesn't make one a zen master.
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Aemilius wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 pm
Malcolm wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:03 pm
unborn wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:01 pm
Fortunately i have the opportunity to practice with an awakened rinzai zen teacher.
And how do you actually know your teacher is awakened? What is the sign or mark of that awakening?
Your own Buddha-nature sees or understands
So Buddhanature is a separate cognitive faculty apart from the mind?
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Malcolm wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:48 am
Aemilius wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 pm
Malcolm wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:03 pm

And how do you actually know your teacher is awakened? What is the sign or mark of that awakening?
Your own Buddha-nature sees or understands
So Buddhanature is a separate cognitive faculty apart from the mind?
Definitely not. You would understand what it means if you wanted to.
I can't remember who has said it, but the idea is from someone or somewhere.
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clyde wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:38 pm
unborn wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:01 pm Fortunately i have the opportunity to practice with an awakened rinzai zen teacher.
I congratulate you on having an awakened Zen teacher. You mention his sect (Rinzai), but not his name?
The lineage of Zenkei Shibayama - Keido Fukushima - Yudo Harada (training master at Tofuku-ji) and Jeff Shore (lay dharma heir who trained in Japan under Fukushima since 1982 until 2007).
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I'd like to grant this thread it's earned pause. Off topic posts were split into a new thread: https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.p ... 81#p570281
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