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Shingon fire ritual

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Do you know where I can find a description of the Shingon fire ritual and the meaning of the gestures? Something like a detailed explanation. I saw many videos on youtube with lay people in attendance and so I suppose its not something secret. I am curious of all the meanings involved in the fire ceremony.
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Richard K. Payne wrote a nice book called 'Tantric Ritual of Japan; Feeding the Gods--The Shingon Fire Ritual'
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Thank you! I will check that book!
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does anybody else have any suggestions or can contribute with something to this topic? Perhaps somebody who attended such fire ceremonies or who listened to some explanations
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BuddhistPeasant wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:19 pm I suppose its not something secret
The rituals themselves are performed in public, but I imagine the meanings of the gestures etc. are esoteric/secret.
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BuddhistPeasant wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:05 pm does anybody else have any suggestions or can contribute with something to this topic? Perhaps somebody who attended such fire ceremonies or who listened to some explanations
I attended one at Koyasan in January and I saw one here in Taiwan last month at Wuzhishan (Taiwanese Shingon). I can say that Payne's book is pretty much all you need to understand what's going on.

The meaning of the gestures, etc., are all explained in Payne's book. They're only esoteric in that you need initiation to perform them.

Perhaps if there are some more specific questions they can be addressed, but the information is quite detailed so you need to do some reading: a message board post can't satisfy this matter.
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Zhen Li wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:24 am ... I attended one at Koyasan in January and I saw one here in Taiwan last month at Wuzhishan (Taiwanese Shingon). I can say that Payne's book is pretty much all you need to understand what's going on. ...
If only it would be that easy! :shrug:
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WuMing wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:14 am
Zhen Li wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:24 am ... I attended one at Koyasan in January and I saw one here in Taiwan last month at Wuzhishan (Taiwanese Shingon). I can say that Payne's book is pretty much all you need to understand what's going on. ...
If only it would be that easy! :shrug:
Saso's book on Tendai Goma was also helpful and you can switch the order of a few things around for the Shingon case. Of course there are some secret mantras that are mentioned but not disclosed, but from the conceptual point of view, I think it is not too hard to understand. To truly master the practice is another question.

There's also a lot of resources on Hindu homa and Nepalese Buddhist homa. I am sure there must be stuff on Tibetan homa but it's just not my area of study.
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There is a book from vajra publications called "Buddhist Fire Ritual in Japan" which is basically a manual on how to do it yourself. It includes photos step by step and all of the mantras and mudras.

Then you can buy all the ritual utensils from rakuten and start out.

https://global.rakuten.com/en/search/?h ... butsudanya

Good luck! :stirthepot:
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By the way. Always consult a teacher before attempting these things. It could be dangerous not to do so.

Not to make anyone play around on their own..
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Wicked Yeshe wrote: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:10 pm By the way. Always consult a teacher before attempting these things. It could be dangerous not to do so.

Not to make anyone play around on their own..
I can’t tell whether your last post was meant to be in jest, but I’ll just point out that in Shingon, without the proper abhiseka and instruction from an authorized acharya, by attempting to perform the ritual yourself, even if you had all the items at your disposal, would be fruitless, and yes dangerous. Keep in mind that any manuals that are floating online won’t always contain the correct mantras or mudra formations, and if so the instructions will sometimes be intentionally corrupted, these parts are left to the teacher to point out the mistakes. And as Rev. Eijo pointed out many times before, that without having been ordained, and having gone through the fourfold preliminary training, and finally receiving abhiseka, you can’t perform these rituals.
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I wouldn't try it at home! It is important to point out. Lot's of shitty ninjutsu flirts with vajrayana and that's basicly broscience land. I'm off that one for sure.
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Wicked Yeshe wrote: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:05 pm There is a book from vajra publications called "Buddhist Fire Ritual in Japan" which is basically a manual on how to do it yourself. It includes photos step by step and all of the mantras and mudras.

Then you can buy all the ritual utensils from rakuten and start out.

https://global.rakuten.com/en/search/?h ... butsudanya

Good luck! :stirthepot:
Hi,

I went at that page but it say there's nothing there. Could you please, let me know where else did you get ritual instruments ?
Thanks a lot!
Dan
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Hi crazy-man,

Thank you a lot! I just saw this replay of yours today.

Dan
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