Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:28 pm
Minobu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:14 pm
ok so malcolm thinks that karma happens now and then...it sort of crops up and wham happens...so it's like a thing waiting to happen to him...
No. I think karma is caused by affliction (kleśa) and results (vipāka) in suffering (dukkha).
BTW, there is no daylight between how affliction, karma, and suffering are presented in Mahāyāna sūtras and Śrāvakayāna sūtras. For example, Nāgārjuna's Commentary on his Heart of Dependent Origination:
Question: Which links are affliction, which are action karma, and which are suffering? Into which of these twelve will [affliction, action, and suffering] be included?
Reply:
The first, eighth and ninth links are affliction.
The first of the twelve links is ignorance (āvidya); the eighth link is craving (ṭṛṣṇā); the ninth link is addiction, (upādana). These three should be understood as affliction. If is asked which of those [twelve links] is action:
The second and the tenth links are action.
The second link is formations (saṃskāra) and the tenth link is existence (bhāva). These two dharmas can be understood to be included in action.
Also, the remaining seven links are suffering.
Question: Those different [previous dharmas] were included in defilement and action, but which are the seven different remaining?
Reply: Those can be understood to be included in suffering. These terms consciousness (vijñāna), name and form (nāmarūpa), six sense bases (ṣada-āyatana), contact, (sparśa), sensation (vedana), birth (jati), and aging and death (jarāmaraṇa) are inclusive of the sufferings such as the suffering of being separated from what is pleasant, meeting with what is unpleasant, and abandonment of the pleasurable.
So you see, the ultimate cause of suffering is affliction, not karma. Affliction causes karma, which then results in suffering. You are not going to find in the sūtras, whether Mahāyāna or Śrāvakayāna, any explanation that diverges from this.
Never claimed afflictins are anything but what there are various afflication...
You see you want to analyze the bejjevvers out of Buddhism...but Nichiren understood it .what
Why Buddha's come here for ,and actually get done ,and for what reason...
Sentients affiliations .Affliction of mind body and dharma Body...
now you can go on how this is all not really happening it's all empty and an illusion...
But still buddhas come here to help sentients suffering from various afflictions..
the number one teaching which Nichiren understood...was it is all to do with Karma and here is how you eradicate Karma for yourself....
It's the one thing Buddha does not do...cure your karma...But leaves a very simple and directly effective way of relieving those afflictions...killing them permannetly...ok so they like never stop....but the train needs to be stopped....
Lotus Buddhism....It's the end all of the sutra campaign...lol...all the non buddhist teachings paving the way...making sentients ready for it....
Make no mistake Nichiren fully understood emptiness and the sutras and the whole thing...he was surrounded by masters and people like ... what you have here online...
Oh the louder they explain about the nothing of it all and the illusion...and further they can make like it is all an illusion anyway....
the further they get from the crux of Buddhism
Relieving and curing afflictions.
Oh you can meditate on Mahamudra or Dzogchen till the cows return but this is not going to relieve you of Karma...
This wakening you talk off ...what is it....have you done it ....hopefully you say yes cause it is all you talk about...
the thing does not happen for you to suddenly be awakened to some intellectual non duality non grasping moment in a meditation......it happens so you have the power to aid, to help out, to show ...it's nothing intellectual at all...zippo...whole other ting mon !
it's all compassion based...Nichiren teaches how non Buddhist religions and philosophy are stepping stones to the lotus Buddhism...
The Gakki have it 100% right...they are not some made up cult out to take over the world... Sensei Ikeda is a man of peace...
He worked very hard under Toda to help build the gakki through ACTUAL PROOF....
He was there after WWII and did the job....Healing people...getting their lives to go on....using that to teach Buddhism...
change your karma....or nothing happens....why is it every affliction you can come up with happens to sentients due to Karma...
no karma ...no suffering....
so you can read your interpretation of sunyata and MahaMudra , which basically starts out observing your mind...and then with the help of a qualified guru ...that moment where it's in between moments and thoughts...and learn how to sit there....and see many things and understand things very clearly....
but it was merit that brought you there...the type of merit ,one has to work for,,,
thats why the Gakki...KNEW and KNOW....
In the trenches with mr. and mrs Jolly so all the little Jollies can overcome some nightmare of the underprivileged to put food on table and make a better life...so many down home experiences..
they know nothing of sunyata...but they actually changed some of their Karma...
thats buddhism 101 Mappo...
Sensei ikeda was an ,and hopefully still is around....IS a man of peace...say what you will but he was there when most needed in a district ...and a chapter and onward...
The man was so good at it....vast amount of people end up hating the guy and with unfounded slander and do their best to bring him down....
real nice eh....been there...done that ...you saw it...
so like Malcolm you can teach death bed what ever and all this super explanation for it all not being anywhere but in your mind and then unto not even in your mind....GO BIG intellectualize ...and get it wrong dude ...all around from a Nichiren perspective...
it does not address what Nichiren and the Gakki ran with....what they knew Buddha came for ...what nichiren put his neck out for...
saving others...helping them not to just have a better life now but in future rebirths...
My ole man's last words were witnessed by people...i wasn't there but i know me ole man...He came out of a Coma looked at the people in the room and chanted Nam Myo ho Ren Ge Kyo...
now like i know he did not attain Buddhahood ...but was like showing us what was important...weird thing is one of the members who was there when he died...20 minutes after i came to him and said my final good bye and you were the best and all that ....she said after he dies his feet went from freezing cold cause my mom said they were when she said feel this...warm as toast..My mopm yelled for the doctor...said feel this...he said i know Ethel...it's been like that for some time now due to circulation..they all are like that...then she demands feel feet and he just says ...another mystery...cause this was the Christian docotr who knew his bone marow came to life and was treating him with plasmapheresisfor months when we moved to toronto...
seriously this is the Nichiren section and like he could debate with the best of the best...but his life's work is all about changing your karma...
seeing that all you go through is due to karma...and this is the only way to eradicate karma en'masses easy peasy....
Look i loved taking Lord Vajrasattva Buddha Tantra...i mean like purify each node with it.....each petal of each Chakra...
when i took Lord Yamantaka Buddha initiation a pre requisite to Lady Vajra Yogini Buddha Tantra...here listen up...
so we put the Kushi grass under our Mattress and go to the land of nod at home...
The next day Rinpoche talks about the dreams...He first explains if you saw a lot of Black in your Dream it's not really a good thing and would explain later...so he asks...people said this dream that dream i put up me hand and it's ...
So there is huge Pitch shiney Black glistening pipe ...like an oil refinery pipeline deal...and there is this piece cut out so i can see inside....It's like pure black water thick gushing through it like real fast and powerful...like niagra falls...
Rinpoche says that represents your Karma...i said .....there was soooo much...everyone laughs ....laughing he said.....you , only you can get rid of that...lots of work ahead of you...
so what ever ...I'm into what Nichiren taught...all his gosho are letters of encouragement...not all but most you read are directed at relieving the every day nightmare...of people ..just people...