What would Nichiren have to say about Catholicism and what it teaches?

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What would Nichiren have to say about Catholicism and what it teaches?

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If someone tried converting Nichiren to Catholicism, what do you think he'd say?
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bcol01 wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:20 am If someone tried converting Nichiren to Catholicism, what do you think he'd say?
Probably "no, thanks". :tongue:
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What would Nichiren have said of the superstitions of the Deus sect, the bloody self-flagellations of its priests, the ritualistic consumption of human flesh and blood by adherents as if to become pishachas, its cruel and jealous deity who sits in some heaven fiendishly whispering to his acolytes that he can subvert causality, and its labrynthine and self-contradictory doctrines? Well...

Maybe Nichiren would have started an interfaith council in Japan. Once its panel had reached a conclusion by attending many services at the churches that were built around Japan, Nichiren would have travelled back to Italy to meet the pope. Instead of Rome, perhaps they would have met in Venice and had a talk over a single shared plate of spaghetti. Then Nichiren would say, "O, popa, yura so kawaii. And the pope, in a voice similar to Super Mario's, would respond, "thanksa leedle boddy!" And they would make haikus together.

We can't really know, so if Disney ever produced the SGI version, there it is.
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Yavana wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:28 pm Well...
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At best, it would be one of the non-Buddhist, wrong view sects.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Upaya Chapter

純一実相。実相外。更無別法。法性寂然名止。寂而常渉照名観。
There is only reality; there is nothing separate from reality. The naturally tranquil nature of dharmas is shamatha. The abiding luminosity of tranquility is vipashyana.

-From Guanding's Introduction to Zhiyi's Great Shamatha and Vipashyana
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There is an interesting relation between Nichiren and christianity- not with Nichiren as such, but this book is a reprint of a 100yr old collaboration between a Nichiren and Catholic scholar, possibly the first significant translation of the story into english.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0087 ... UTF8&psc=1

It is an interesting though archaic read, many catholic terms are used with varying precision to describe Nichirens life and activities; eg Saint Nichiren, the Trinity appears too, and others exist. The "Nichiren as religious reformer" argument appears in this book as well.
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I think he would find it even more absurd that Brahmanism.
I'd imagine he'd look at the history of Christianity with a thought to how it could be an expedient teaching.
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narhwal90 wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:26 pm There is an interesting relation between Nichiren and christianity- not with Nichiren as such, but this book is a reprint of a 100yr old collaboration between a Nichiren and Catholic scholar, possibly the first significant translation of the story into english.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0087 ... UTF8&psc=1

It is an interesting though archaic read, many catholic terms are used with varying precision to describe Nichirens life and activities; eg Saint Nichiren, the Trinity appears too, and others exist. The "Nichiren as religious reformer" argument appears in this book as well.
Very interesting! I want to check it out
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dude wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:40 am I think he would find it even more absurd that Brahmanism.
I'd imagine he'd look at the history of Christianity with a thought to how it could be an expedient teaching.
I've often thought Christianity, taken in a contemplative way, to be an expedient means. I especially like the work of Richard Rohr who explores Christianity through a more Eastern approach
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dude wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:40 am I think he would find it even more absurd that Brahmanism.
I'd imagine he'd look at the history of Christianity with a thought to how it could be an expedient teaching.
Maybe. Maybe he'd have sent a letter to the real power brokers of the country and rushed to the shores to chant up a literal, ship-sinking storm before the Jesuits started subverting the government. Who can say, really?

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I think Nichiren would try and sift through the whole thing....
make sense out of it and realize people played with the teachings like they did and still do with Buddhist teachings.


I think the real message that people originally died in the roman colosseum for became a political thing devised in Rome.

the only thing we really know Jesus christ taught was love..love leads to liberation...

the only thing, some people think, we know for sure
Buddha taught was..."Do not look to any god or demon or me for help."


this is why i think it's the same sentient being who came here at different times to leave teachings that somehow resonate forever...
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Hey all, we let this discussion go and for people to have their say, but, we don't do comparative religion at dharmawheel.org. Just a heads up, depending on the content of posts going forward, probably going to lock this one up.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Upaya Chapter

純一実相。実相外。更無別法。法性寂然名止。寂而常渉照名観。
There is only reality; there is nothing separate from reality. The naturally tranquil nature of dharmas is shamatha. The abiding luminosity of tranquility is vipashyana.

-From Guanding's Introduction to Zhiyi's Great Shamatha and Vipashyana
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