"Realms"

[Caoimhghín]

What is the working definition of "realms" when Nichiren Buddhists talk about the interpenetration of the ten "realms"?

[Queequeg]

The six realms of samsara plus sravka, pratyekhabuddha, Bodhisattva, Buddha.

[Minobu]

how about english version...lol..
break it down for us please.

[Caoimhghín]

The six realms of samsara plus sravka, pratyekhabuddha, Bodhisattva, Buddha.

But what is a "realm" exactly, in this context, from a perspective informed by Nichiren Buddhism?

[Queequeg]

It's the Mahayana meaning.

[Minobu]

[crazy-man]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_spiritual_realms
http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/ten-dharma-realms
http://www.cttbusa.org/dharmatalks/10drealms.htm

video about the ten realms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ6GuBPPqsQ

[narhwal90]

In SGI the 10 Realms are generally referred to as "10 Worlds". OTOH the 3 factor in the ichinen sanzen equation are the "3 Realms" ( 5 components, living beings, environment) so confusion abounds lol.

[Minobu]

so confusion abounds lol.

but isn't everything Buddhism like that....lol..
like i don;t get what you just said...sorry...but the more i try .....the harder it is to "GET IT" and that refers to everything...not just what you just wrote. AAAAAAHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh

maybe it was me morning coffee...too week...as opposed to the stuff that can raise the hair on a Billiard Ball i usually make.

[narhwal90]

for my part the distinction between "realms" and "worlds" with respect to the list of 10 life conditions from hell to buddha is word choice between reasonably similar terms. OTOH the confusion that I found humorous was between the "10 realms" vs "3 realms"- SGI using the latter but not the former. I was about to write that the numbered lists appear endless but realized that I work in a business with an apparently infinite supply of acronyms and so conversation around here is probably even more obscure lol.

[Minobu]

for my part the distinction between "realms" and "worlds" with respect to the list of 10 life conditions from hell to buddha is word choice between reasonably similar terms. OTOH the confusion that I found humorous was between the "10 realms" vs "3 realms"- SGI using the latter but not the former. I was about to write that the numbered lists appear endless but realized that I work in a business with an apparently infinite supply of acronyms and so conversation around here is probably even more obscure lol.

oh now i get it....

[mansurhirbi87]

i'd like to know the origin (where in the sutras or great commentators) of the ten realms and how Tiantai got his conclusions about them.
i made a search and it's curious that something so basic in Nichiren and Tiantai buddhism cannot be traced

[GDPR_Anonymized001]

i'd like to know the origin (where in the sutras or great commentators) of the ten realms and how Tiantai got his conclusions about them.
i made a search and it's curious that something so basic in Nichiren and Tiantai buddhism cannot be traced

I thought this was common in all Mahayana traditions, is it only East Asian?

[tkp67]

“My teaching has nine aspects,Which are taught according to the strengths of beings.I teach with this method so that they will approach
The supreme gift that is wisdom. {49}

https://84000.co/new-84000-publication- ... od-dharma/

I use these nine devices,
adapting them to the living beings when I preach,
my basic aim being to lead them into the great vehicle,
and that is why I preach this sutra.

https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc ... 2#para-238

[mansurhirbi87]

i'd like to know the origin (where in the sutras or great commentators) of the ten realms and how Tiantai got his conclusions about them.
i made a search and it's curious that something so basic in Nichiren and Tiantai buddhism cannot be traced

I thought this was common in all Mahayana traditions, is it only East Asian?

i guess the six realms are common. but beside the number 10, there is the idea of interpenetration

[mansurhirbi87]

“My teaching has nine aspects,Which are taught according to the strengths of beings.I teach with this method so that they will approach
The supreme gift that is wisdom. {49}

https://84000.co/new-84000-publication- ... od-dharma/

I use these nine devices,
adapting them to the living beings when I preach,
my basic aim being to lead them into the great vehicle,
and that is why I preach this sutra.

https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc ... 2#para-238

very nice, brother. thank you very much _/\_

[Malcolm]

i'd like to know the origin (where in the sutras or great commentators) of the ten realms and how Tiantai got his conclusions about them.
i made a search and it's curious that something so basic in Nichiren and Tiantai buddhism cannot be traced

I thought this was common in all Mahayana traditions, is it only East Asian?

It is only an East Asian thing.

In Indo-Tibetan Buddhism what is discussed are six realms and three realms. Āryas by definition belong to either the desire realm (human realm) or the form realm (the five pure abodes), there are no āryas in the formless realm.

[GDPR_Anonymized001]

“My teaching has nine aspects,Which are taught according to the strengths of beings.I teach with this method so that they will approach
The supreme gift that is wisdom. {49}

https://84000.co/new-84000-publication- ... od-dharma/

I use these nine devices,
adapting them to the living beings when I preach,
my basic aim being to lead them into the great vehicle,
and that is why I preach this sutra.

https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc ... 2#para-238

Sorry, I don't see the link with this and what the OP was asking. You're quoting a section about the nine methods of teaching the Dharma. It's nothing to do with the Ten Realms.

[GDPR_Anonymized001]

i'd like to know the origin (where in the sutras or great commentators) of the ten realms and how Tiantai got his conclusions about them.
i made a search and it's curious that something so basic in Nichiren and Tiantai buddhism cannot be traced

I thought this was common in all Mahayana traditions, is it only East Asian?

It is only an East Asian thing.

In Indo-Tibetan Buddhism what is discussed are six realms and three realms. Āryas by definition belong to either the desire realm (human realm) or the form realm (the five pure abodes), there are no āryas in the formless realm.

Thank you. I never understood it to be proposing 10 actual realms but rather as a kind of "catch-all" for referencing all manner of beings (a la ten directions). I don't practice a Lotus school however so maybe that's why. I appreciate the info!

[tkp67]

“My teaching has nine aspects,Which are taught according to the strengths of beings.I teach with this method so that they will approach
The supreme gift that is wisdom. {49}

https://84000.co/new-84000-publication- ... od-dharma/

I use these nine devices,
adapting them to the living beings when I preach,
my basic aim being to lead them into the great vehicle,
and that is why I preach this sutra.

https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc ... 2#para-238

Sorry, I don't see the link with this and what the OP was asking. You're quoting a section about the nine methods of teaching the Dharma. It's nothing to do with the Ten Realms.

If you read the previous and subsequent text within expedient means he addresses beings in the six realms and then voice hearers, pratyekabuddha and bodhisattavas respectively discriminating between them all. It is necessary to read it all on context but is far too great to post here in the entirety without violating the TOA.