Hi Shaun,
Do you know if the empowerment is being broadcast? It just seems to be the tsog offering live now.
Hi Shaun,
IDK, but it looks like he just started streaming about 15 minutes ago.Lobsang Chojor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:22 pmHi Shaun,
Do you know if the empowerment is being broadcast? It just seems to be the tsog offering live now.
Yes fortunately I managed to receive the initiation. I didn't hear any specific commitments, did you?
How wonderful. Unfortunately, I was not able to follow it all. I am looking forward to his teachings in December.Lobsang Chojor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:00 amYes fortunately I managed to receive the initiation. I didn't hear any specific commitments, did you?
Same case here, I couldn't follow the Begtse Chen mantras -- pls PM if you have them, thanks
Good question. All I could gather from Rinpoche, is that adoption of Begtse began between the reign of the 2-3 Dalai Lamas, that Chamsing and Nechung are of one-nature, and that Chamsing (supramundane) is uncommon aspect and Nechung mundane?tony_montana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:26 amSame case here, I couldn't follow the Begtse Chen mantras -- pls PM if you have them, thanks
Also, I don't wanna start a fuss but is Begtse Chen a Wisdom/Enlightened Protector? For a person practicing Most Secret Hayagriva that Jhado Rinpoche so kindly gave empowerment for, how would be the appropriate way to supplicate Begtse for support and help?
I'm pretty sure Rinpoche said Begtse Chen was a supramundane (enlightened) protector.tony_montana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:26 am Also, I don't wanna start a fuss but is Begtse Chen a Wisdom/Enlightened Protector? For a person practicing Most Secret Hayagriva that Jhado Rinpoche so kindly gave empowerment for, how would be the appropriate way to supplicate Begtse for support and help?
I was a bit unsure on the first point I think Rinpoche was just saying that the titles "black and red" protectors depends on the context. The Tibetan government mean Palden Lhamo and Nechung, whereas in Mongolia it refers to Palden Lhamo and Begtse Chen.zerwe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:55 pm Good question. All I could gather from Rinpoche, is that adoption of Begtse began between the reign of the 2-3 Dalai Lamas, that Chamsing and Nechung are of one-nature, and that Chamsing (supramundane) is uncommon aspect and Nechung mundane?
Chamsing is one of the chief dharma protectors of Tamdrin Yangsang's mandala and is mentioned/invoked in FPMT's protector practices.
One (controversial) source lists him as a wisdom/enlightened protector along side Kalarupa, Palden Lhamo, and Six-armed Mahakala. Also, says he originally had Indian roots and came to Tibet beginning 11th century through Sakya/Kagyu via Marpa and Sachen Kunga Nyingpo?
Shaun
PM sentLobsang Chojor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:32 pmI'm pretty sure Rinpoche said Begtse Chen was a supramundane (enlightened) protector.tony_montana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:26 am Also, I don't wanna start a fuss but is Begtse Chen a Wisdom/Enlightened Protector? For a person practicing Most Secret Hayagriva that Jhado Rinpoche so kindly gave empowerment for, how would be the appropriate way to supplicate Begtse for support and help?
I was a bit unsure on the first point I think Rinpoche was just saying that the titles "black and red" protectors depends on the context. The Tibetan government mean Palden Lhamo and Nechung, whereas in Mongolia it refers to Palden Lhamo and Begtse Chen.zerwe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:55 pm Good question. All I could gather from Rinpoche, is that adoption of Begtse began between the reign of the 2-3 Dalai Lamas, that Chamsing and Nechung are of one-nature, and that Chamsing (supramundane) is uncommon aspect and Nechung mundane?
Chamsing is one of the chief dharma protectors of Tamdrin Yangsang's mandala and is mentioned/invoked in FPMT's protector practices.
One (controversial) source lists him as a wisdom/enlightened protector along side Kalarupa, Palden Lhamo, and Six-armed Mahakala. Also, says he originally had Indian roots and came to Tibet beginning 11th century through Sakya/Kagyu via Marpa and Sachen Kunga Nyingpo?
Shaun
In the lineage list Rinpoche recited it came through Sachen Kunga Nyingpo, I don't think I heard Marpa.
Could you PM me the second mantra? I didn't write any down
There are two sources for the Marutse brother and sister. The Drogmi long lineage passes to him from Gayadhara. The short lineage is a term revealed by Marpa Lotsawa, originally connected with the Most Secret Hayagriva. They are combined in Sakya.zerwe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:49 pmPM sentLobsang Chojor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:32 pmI'm pretty sure Rinpoche said Begtse Chen was a supramundane (enlightened) protector.tony_montana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:26 am Also, I don't wanna start a fuss but is Begtse Chen a Wisdom/Enlightened Protector? For a person practicing Most Secret Hayagriva that Jhado Rinpoche so kindly gave empowerment for, how would be the appropriate way to supplicate Begtse for support and help?
I was a bit unsure on the first point I think Rinpoche was just saying that the titles "black and red" protectors depends on the context. The Tibetan government mean Palden Lhamo and Nechung, whereas in Mongolia it refers to Palden Lhamo and Begtse Chen.zerwe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:55 pm Good question. All I could gather from Rinpoche, is that adoption of Begtse began between the reign of the 2-3 Dalai Lamas, that Chamsing and Nechung are of one-nature, and that Chamsing (supramundane) is uncommon aspect and Nechung mundane?
Chamsing is one of the chief dharma protectors of Tamdrin Yangsang's mandala and is mentioned/invoked in FPMT's protector practices.
One (controversial) source lists him as a wisdom/enlightened protector along side Kalarupa, Palden Lhamo, and Six-armed Mahakala. Also, says he originally had Indian roots and came to Tibet beginning 11th century through Sakya/Kagyu via Marpa and Sachen Kunga Nyingpo?
Shaun
In the lineage list Rinpoche recited it came through Sachen Kunga Nyingpo, I don't think I heard Marpa.
Could you PM me the second mantra? I didn't write any down
"In the lineage list Rinpoche recited it came through Sachen Kunga Nyingpo"
Excellent, your ears are sharper than ours.
Shaun
Marpa was a terton?