kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:09 pm
Have published this topic also elswhere here aboard, but i guess to place this topic here too, would not be bad.
Ngawang Lobzang Gyatso / 5th and 6th Dalai Lamas, were Dzogchenpas, see the kLa Kang murals.
Asked myself always why he /they did not integrate Dzogchen in the Gelug as highest teaching / practice.
- How do we call this Dzogchen Lineage in Gelug, based on the Great Fifth ?
- Is this an unbroken Dzogchen Lineage ?
Yeah, the Great Fifth was gelugpa as well as nyingmapa, with much link to the nyingma.. it was dorje drak monastery and jangter, which was his connection... his son the 1st Desi Rinpoche, who concealed death of the 5th had a vision, as for next DL - the 6th.
Desi was raised as a nyingma within Dorje Drak lineage, though as a regent or desi of the 5th he reformed gelug shedra and introduced there astrology and even more important - Tibetan medicine, which was by that time pretty forgotten.. actually he brought again the four medical tantras.
The 6th DL was son of Desi Rinpoche, and Desi's vision was about future mother.. actually she was a girl from Bhutan where Desi secretly traveled just for one reason of making a baby boy, the future 6th DL, and the very girl was of Pema Lingpa family direct line. So the 6th was a blood descendent of Pema Lingpa.. and the family of terton made always point of transmitting the Peling termas within the family independantly of Pema Lingpa three tulkus' lineage
as for the Potala palace, the very uppermost gonpa was dedicated to nyingma.. actually during the 5th, when the 1st Desi was established the practice of DL and his direct etourage was for 2 weeks gelug sarma, and other two weeks nyingma/dzogchen, so each month they did both practices alternatively.. so it looks as if they never mixed but practiced one of them at the time.
As for the lineage of Desi, his monastery was build just on the other side of the river where dorje drak monastery is... desi's monastery was completely destroyed and erased by chinese communist forces after 1959.
direct members of Peling family
gelug rinpoches connected to Desi line
both were perfectly informed and gave many more details.
From what I heard there was never any question of mixing nyingma and gelug, rather both were treated seperatly right from the beginning. Anyway it sounded like this. I can understand strong opposition of gelug geshes and important figures of drepung, sera and ganden.. for them since the 5th DL reign Potala was under spell of dzogchen and nyingma. Severe attacks against nyingma in the time of the 13th DL were caused also by his strong nyingma practice of jangter termas. and they did not made this mistake with the 14th whom they strongly pushed into 'orthodox' gelug including strong Sh, practice etc. after death of Reting RInpoche - another high gelug official praticing nyingma and close follower of the 13th DL.
the 14th realised pretty late what he was exposed to before he cut what he considered as danger. And it is just recently that 14th DL started to give transmission of the 5th termas.